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KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DasouthDakota, Oct 25, 2022.

  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Member

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    If he can maintaining 17 potential assists per game for the rest of the season we can start talking.

    At this point it's even pathetic that our off ball guard has better ppp efficiency numbers in pnr ball handling duties than KPJ.

    As a primary playmaker that KPJ is designated as, if he can't even be the most effective pnr ball handler on the team, that's bad especially if his competition is a "guy who can't dribble" according to some posters here.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    That's a cherry picked style argument, not a substantive argument.... and when the people he would create for like Green and Smith can't hit open shots... so you really blame him for creating for himself?
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    That isn't cherry picked lol. It goes to the core of how many potential assists KPJ generates given the amount of time he has the ball in his hands.

    It one of the best ways to determine the efficiency of a pg's playmaking duties.
     
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    It determines style, not efficacy.
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    Ya... Style
     
  6. DaDakota

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    That is true, but on the Rox they share playmaking.

    DD
     
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    Kevin Porter Junior was not, is not, and will never be a point guard.
     
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  8. fchowd0311

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    No they don't. Not really. The largest drop off in time of possession on the team is between first(KPJ), and second(Green). The drop offs after Green are smaller.
     
  9. DaDakota

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    Yes they do and how do you factor in for the times he is shooting does that count as a potential assist? As he is a scoring PG.

    I guess for the stat to be accurate you would have to eliminate the entire time he has the ball which leads to him shooting it.....to get an accurate measure.

    DD
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    If they do, then every team by default shares playmaking duties so then the statement you made is essentially useless if every team does what you claim.

    It's very simple. The biggest drop off in time of possession on the team is between 1 and 2 on the team. That explicitly shows this team doesn't "share duties" implying some equal distribution.

    There are teams that don't have the largest drop off in time of possession between 1 and 2. That is when you can say a team shares playamking duties.

    We have a primary playmaker. We have basically a near heliocentric offense and it's centered around KPJ. Probably the worst player besides Rozier for a month to have the keys to a heliocentric offense
     
  11. DaDakota

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    Right just as I thought using flawed statistics to support a flawed narrative because you don't like him.

    DD
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    You stating something is flawed isn't an argument.

    Express reasons.

    It's very simple hombre. KPJ has one of the if not the worst amount of potential assists generated given the amount of time the ball is in his hands. If that isn't an indictment of poor pg play then I don't know what is.
     
  13. DaDakota

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    We know we know.

    DD
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    It's very simple hombre. KPJ has one of the if not the worst amount of potential assists generated given the amount of time the ball is in his hands. If that isn't an indictment of poor pg play then I don't know what is.

    Yes I hate the concept of KPJ as a primary pg for this team. I like KPJ as a fun electric scorer though.
     
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    Makes sense.

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    Instead of blaming kpj for his lack of court vision and his passing ability, it's easier to blame his teammates for not being able to shoot.

    Kpj only fans get triggered at sof/gof for supposedly never acknowledging sengun/green weaknesses while blaming others are doing the exact sht.

    Oh kpj doesn't suck at his role, his teammates can't score. What a load of bs.

    Kpj has talent but I'm quite confident we aren't winning with him at pg. Man has too many weaknesses to b the primary ball distributor, can't wait until we draft a real pg or resign harden
     
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    Why is this a useful stat? What difference does it make how long he stands there dribbling the ball? If KPJ dribbles the ball up the court and holds it for 20 seconds, then passes to a teammate for an open 3, that's somehow worse than a guy who dribbles it up the court and passes to a teammate for an open 3 after 5 or 10 seconds? This seems like a really really bad stand in for what you're really looking for, which would be potential assists generated divided by the number of possessions where he's the playmaker, or something similar to that.
     
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  18. fchowd0311

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    Are...

    You...

    Serious...


    Really think about it. Really hard.
     
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    I am being serious. If I'm being stupid, then please, explain it to me.
     
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    You would be worried about Suggs, Cade Cunningham, etc.....as young players are always
    inconsistent for the most part.

    I'm the opposite of your feelings....I don't believe these big post up featured guys like KAT, Embiid, Jokic can win deep in the playoffs. That's why I don't want the offense or bulk of our salary going to s big lug post up guy.

    I feel we are set with:
    KPj-------
    .................(two of prong guard attack wings)
    Green----

    Tari
    Jabari

    Give me a Call Whitmore at SF and both
    Jabari and Tari get stronger....work more
    on their 3-pt shot.

    Passing is overrated. If the team has the proper
    pieces (5 three point shooters)....the passing windows will be as big as the grand canyon.

    I won't need that pass through the Sengun legs that just needs to be a simple hand off.

    Some Harlem Globe Trotters can make fancy passes out of their @$$.....but can't do the other things like contest the 3, hit an open shot, run the court at high octane pace
     

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