KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

I was looking at player offense efficiency rankings and he's ranked in the 100s right there with Harden. What a crazy similarity.

 

He's been sharing responsibilities with KPJ, something Green fans cheered on....I guess until it became obvious that his skills aren't developed enough for that kind of role.

Now you guys are crying that he's allowed to try and create himself rather than sitting back and having things created for him.

You can't have it both ways.

I would suggest just sitting back and staying quiet while Green goes through growing pains as he attempts to develop into a combo guard. He doesn't look good right now, but our baby deer will probably get there one day.

 

Ya I think developing players get help from having some easy looks here and there.

Ain't happening on this team.

 

No, it's not that he's not getting them, it's that he's not making them.

Jalen Green is getting 3.4 open 3 point attempts per game....it's that he's only making 29.5% of them. Hell he's getting 2.7 wide open 3 point attempts...meaning no defender within 6 feet of him, and he's only making 34% of them. That's 6.1 attempts per game either open or wide open and only hitting 31%....yikes.

Overall he's only hitting 33% on his catch and shoot 3's

He's just not shooting the ball well this year.

Now you can say that our "budding superstar" shouldn't have to take shots, that he should be able to have more wide open dunks created for him to pad his stats....but I don't think it's asking too much for a "budding superstar" to be able to create for themselves a bit.....and to be able to knock down open 3's others create for him at an acceptable rate.

The reason we want Jalen Green to develop into a combo guard is because KPJ can actually do those things, this season he's hitting 43% of his catch and shoot 3's...he just doesn't get them very often because he's the only guy who can reliably create for others. I know Sengun fans will get up in arms about that, but Sengun is only averaging 2.5 assists to 2.1 turnovers per game...his assists get ALL the style points, but he's not very good at it overall.

 

If youre aligning yourself with racist bobbythegreat you've already lost.

 

Considering how our offense is dependent on him and he has been the primary decision maker on the team now over a year, he should be but he is not. I really wish we had found a way to trade KPJ for Haliburton when he was on the Kings hell I woulda gave them one of our firsts from the BKN picks along with KPJ.

 

Oh I don’t, that’s why I put him ignore months ago. I’m just wondering why people aren’t saying **** to him, since we’re supposed to protect all the young guys

 

lol budding superstars don't have to generate 70% of their own offense. It is an inherently broken system when your off guard is scoring near 70% of his points unassisted.

For reference Kobe Bryant, the ultimate one on one off the dribble scorer had a 25% unassisted rate for fgm in his first two NBA seasons. That means 75% of his makes came from teammates diming him good looks.




We already went through this. Another poster I think it was @jordnnnn that broke down KPJ potential assist numbers and the fg% of his potential assists. And when you consider both, he's still one of the worst pgs in the league regardless of his team's fg%.

Let's put it this way, if KPJ's teammates made EVERY SINGLE one of their shots he would be averaging around 8 assists. And that never happens.


At the end of the day you can do very basic math of two values for every starting pg in the NBA and see where he falls. Open up a simple excel spreadsheet to make it really quick.

Simply divide his potential assists by his time of possession and see where he falls amongst all NBA starting pgs.

 

Lol "racist" you crazy kids.

 

@King1 has reached the threshold of 100% of his posts in any sub forum in Clutchfans being just pure insults with profanity that it has become normal and people just ignore him. I do wonder why Clutch keeps him around. Is he like a grandkid or something?

 

In the off-season I said I would get after Sengun because he is 20 years old
and I didn't like people blasting Jalen Green two weeks into his rookie season.

1) seems to me Sengun only fans think it's easier to build around Sengun and
replace everyone else. Where I am, Silas system and all the players fit that
system except Sengun.

2) every player during the exit interview get a dossier on the season performance
and what the team wishes for each player to work on. I'm not happy that Sengun
was working on post game with his national team and appears he completely
ignored his obligation to practice on his 3-pt shooting. Kenyon obviously worked
on 3-pt shooting and so has Tate (was well documented).

Green and KPj would find so much less resistance in the paint if Sengun
was at my projected 33% from three on 4 or 5 attempts per game.

I heard a podcast earlier in the season with the host saying Schroder
looked good as a Rocket last year.....and shows what a real PG looked
like.

21/22:
PnR (ball handler):
Dennis Schroder (Hou): 37.9 freq......0.70 PPP.....22.3 NBA percentile

same year
with Boston..................35.7 freq.......0.89 PPP.......63.4 NBA percentile

Amazing how having experienced players around you makes a difference.

same year (21/22)
KPj..................................43.2 NBA percentile
Green..............................41.7 NBA percentile
JC,...................................58.9 NBA percentile
EG................................50.6 NBA percentile

This season PnR (ball handler) 22/23:
KPj...............................30.7
Green...........................46.8
EG................................35.1

Wood hitting 3's has been more consistent than Jabari so far. That makes
a difference. Strength of schedule this early going. Teams are respecting
both Green and KPj more this season. Throwing more zone defense.

I feel both Green and KPj are attacking mid court traps and full court press
better. Teams are still doing that to Nix......probably Washington will get that
treatment soon.

Different year but different players need to get accustomed to one another.
Last year it was Green/Sengun/Christopher.....this year it's Jabari/ Tari and Washington.
I have patience because I know it's a process. I see us half way there compared
to the Sixers "Trust the Process"

Others have no patience because it's holding Sengun back. And you know
how I feel about Big Post Up lugs in the playoffs. Denver won I believe
3 of 4 games vs the Warriors during last season with Jokic doing well
every game. In the playoffs Jokic still did equally as well but the Warriors
won 4 of 5. It's a different think when it's a 7 game series and your
opposition can dissect your team and nullify your strengths.
Sengun fans are hoping Jokic can win it all this year now that
he has Jamal Murray and M Porter Jr.......I still say Second round
knockout. Embiid had all world James Harden, Tobias Harris,
Thybulle, Danny Green. We shall see.

 

I dont think people are saying build around Sengun I think they are saying run the offense through him. He clearly has better passing abilities than KPJ. We are currently building the team and offense around KPJ and im nto gonna lie it worries me for the future, even when he has a good game it looks like it comes at others expense.

 

if his teammates made all of their shots, which never happens, he'd be averaging 12 assists a game despite sharing responsibilities with another guard.

Also it's funny you blame KPJ for his teammates not making their shots... but then I guess you have to blame someone for Jalen Green missing so many open shots.

Certainly if KPJ had a KPJ to create shots for, he'd manage a lot more assists... but alas he's only got guys like Green and Smith who can't hit open shots.

Perhaps if the "budding superstar" ever manages to develop his handle and court vision even a little bit, he'll be able to rack up assists passing to KPJ since those potential assists won't be squandered.


I already proved to you that Jalen Green is the key to the team's success... and he's been failing them. You really can't deflect by trying to blame everyone else, the numbers just don't support it.

 

They are getting TONS of easy looks when I tracked good shots they were shooting over 77% good shots, they are just bad shooters.

DD

 

Unfortunately hombre I don't trust your tracking over NBA.com

 

Again, divide potential assists by time of possession for all NBA pgs and see where KPJ lies.

Go ahead. Do it. I dare you.

You understand what potential assists are right?

 

NBA.com doesn't track quality shots......I focused on whether the result was a good look, a great look, a constested look or a poor look, and by and large we get good shots, we just don't make em.

If you don't trust my tracking - fine by me......watch the games....and count how many WIDE OPEN 3s we miss, you can't win when your team shoots 30% from 3pt range for the entire month of December.

We are a 3pt shooting team who can't make 3pt shots.

DD

 

I'm focusing on how many potential assists KPJ gets per time of possession and compare that to other PGs in the NBA. Keep track.

 

He is around 17 potential assists in the last 4 -5 games, but he is also sharing the ball with Green.

KPJ has turned into quite a decent PG/ComboG and is getting better.

But by focusing on a PG centric stat, you are showing your bias against him, the team has multiple people bringing it up now....

DD

 

Lol dude. If this team generated so many open threes as you claim, this team wouldn't be 3rd to last in potential assists. Usually teams that get a lot of good looks would be the opposite.