I can’t figure out if we are seeing development out of Sengun beyond what would reasonably be expected on his own. Per 36 min compared to last year his rebounds are up, but his assist to turnover ratio is worse. His FG% is up and he’s scoring more, but can’t help but think he’d be doing even better under another coach. His playing time is up overall but it’s been pretty disjointed.
he didnt develop nothing.. he could have done all this on his first day of summer league...well perhaps his handles are a bit better....
His passing is my favorite thing about him so I was bummed to see him take a step back this year in terms of assists and wasn't entirely confident as to why. I had a theory on this - I had it in my head that he was getting assists out of the post last year, and that's been removed from his game entirely this year. I went to go look it up on https://the-high-low.com/ (thank you @AlperenSengun for this awesome website) and watched all his assists from last year to try to find a bunch of examples, and it turns out I was half right and half wrong. The number of assists he got out of the post last year was lower than I expected, however, I did find a much bigger culprit for why his assists are down despite getting the ball so much more this year. The real issue here is that since he's been moved to the starting lineup, he doesn't share the court with any players who cut. While looking back through all of his assists, there were two names that showed up more than anyone else in regards to these cutting dunk assists, and that's Jaesean Tate and KMJ. But even with those two aside, he had a bunch of assists for cutting dunks/layups to DJ Augustine, David Nwaba, Josh Christopher, and he even had a lot to Christian Wood. The point here is that he is really good at finding players who cut to the basket, but this year he doesn't really share the court with guys who do that this year. Whether its from the perimeter, or the post, or after an offensive rebound, a big chunk of his assists was finding teammates who get into the paint, rather than staying on the perimeter. He had very very few of these assists to Jalen, KPJ, or Eric Gordon.
great analysis. Makes a lot of sense to me. I suppose guys who don’t naturally cut can be coached to cut though
thanks...its nice to listen to and i arrived up to the half of the video but this is nothing a common sense or high bbiq would not lead you to... huge part of dumbalytics is just surplus, unnecessary and arbitrary numbers chewing anybody knowing anything about basketball knows alperen should be given more minutes, and a better role for the good of everyone involved... PS oops progressing further in the video i came across some really dumb dumbalytics and fallacies that are so wrong i dont even have time to uncover them now...LOL analytics - dumbalytics
Aside from the low iq nonstop rant about anti tanking and all talents are equal from hakeem94, poster was quite right on how poorly we utilize sengun. Last year I chalked it up to legit stamina issues but this year is just straight up incompetence from silas
He's right in pointing out that when Sengun plays big minutes and gets tons of touches, the team does really well, that part is just stating a fact. But does that necessarily mean that we can do that in every game? Maybe the reason he was able to get all those touches and perform so well is because those specific teams were poor defensively, and didn't have a guy that could guard Sengun. Alperen has his strengths and weaknesses, just like any player, and I think this specific sample that's been chosen are games against teams that can't shut down his strengths, and can't take advantage of his weaknesses. Not that I disagree with his overall point, though. I do think we should give Alp more touches and the team would be better for it. I just don't think his reasoning and logic are very good here.
I've looked at the win loss splits for Alpi and his usage rate is almost exactly the same. Green on the other hand has 2% increase in usage in wins compared to losses.
No it doesn't. It is possible that the reasoning is similar to KPJ stans' argument that can be summarized as 'If you just look at the games where he plays good, he is very good' (and I am not joking, you can find different forms of this argument repeatedly). What he is trying to do is to justify what he feels is the right thing to do by finding some numbers that seem to support it, I am sure if he wanted to do opposite he could have found numbers that way. Because none of those measures are exact science and in the grand scheme of things, it is very hard to measure Sengun's impact in the sense he wants to measure it, especially with such a small sample size, with varying 5s and opponents. I think the conclusion is correct anyway. It is much easier to see the difference when you watch games, and take into account that Sengun touching the ball more and being active more is something that is used much less compared to the other option and it still looks good. It certainly will improve as we play it more. It is hard to tell how much of the impact comes from actually moving the ball more and Sengun touching it more(you can't really separate the two). Even it does not touch Sengun that much, I think we would play better by moving the ball more.
Guy still averaging 4.6 fouls per 36, worse than everyone save Bruno. Guy still huffs oxygen in the 4th and his fg% dips steadily from 60% in the 1st to 48% in the 4th. That's on him. Conditioning and fouls are on him, no matter how much posters named Antakyaspor2021 tell you otherwise
So hear it from me . With your guards being weak defenders and getting lost on the perimeter all the time, the centers will get a good number of fouls. Garuba is 4 pf per 36, Fernando is 7.2 pf per 36, Sengun 4.5 per36. Sengun has room to improve on fouls, but thinking that his current fouling is basically on him is not reasonable.
