Ya it could. But we know that isn't the case if you actually watch this team and realize we have a square peg ramming through a round hole as a pg.
I am so tired of this being used against young players. It's true... SOME... of the greats came into the league with above average BBIQ but not all. I think this is over used and over analyzed. Most of the players entering the NBA have a knowledge of the sport far superior to the average fan or broadcaster but somehow get dinged as low basketball IQ because they make mistakes or silly turnovers. Many of the greats were not necessarily cerebral players when entering the league, but focused on what they were good at and perfected aspects of the game. What I'm saying is that there are and have been a lot of great players who weren't high basketball IQ players early in their careers. Examples... Hakeem - was not the smartest (or most emotionally stable) player early but matured and is the greatest (IMHO) center to play the game Barkley - was all hops and rebounds but later in his career became more well rounded (no pun intended) and truly great Dominique - human highlight from jump but wasn't necessarily the smartest player early on Dennis Rodman - was always underrated but definitely not the smartest cat on the court early on, only to go on to become one of the greatest rebounders in the game What about Kevin Garnett, Clyde Drexler, or Giannis... none would make my list of High BBIQ early in their careers but all are considered great. Hell when you compare these players to the likes of Magic Johnson, Kareem, Chris Paul, John Stockton, Tim Duncan, LeBron, Jokic - players who always seem to make the right reads and passes, the list of greats I mentioned earlier would seem like low BBIQ players. My point is, saying you don't see "high basketball IQ" in a bunch of 2nd year players is just silly. Some players take more time to develop, some never fully reach their potential, but you can be great and not be considering a high BBIQ player early in your career. This is just another attempt to ding players ... He run fast, He jump high, but he dumb.... It takes more than athletic ability to make it into the best basketball league in the world.
@DaDakota so you've placed this poll in at least two different places and the results have been the same. Is it everyone else that's wrong or is it maybe you?
Why does there have to be a comparable superstar? He mentioned points that were valid. You hid behind a false narrative. the majority of people would take Green over Ball w/o hesitation. But you hold on to your bs takes and gaslighting. let me know if I need to further explain anything I said to you.
It's really more of a homer test. Any unbiased party would take LaMelo over Green and it wouldn't cause even a slight hesitation or doubt. If people here say otherwise... well, love is blind. Sure it counts as a hit to their credibility, but you can't expect any different from most fans.
was his twitter poll homerism? are you qualified to speak on homerism? why do you speak in fact when your opinions are so flawed? You'd think you'd find some humility at some point and at least allow for a dissenting view as being correct
I'd imagine, yeah. It probably was Rockets homers that skewed the poll, though I didn't see it so I wouldn't know. When it comes to dissenting views, they have to be based upon something of substance for me to take them seriously. There's literally no case for Green over Ball other than "I just believe" Right now Ball is better than Green across the board. Superfans don't have to like it, but it's just how it goes.
His footspeed is tremendous and best or second best in the league. as such his separation is on another level. His finishing at the basket is highly advanced. his outside touch will only improve with time. He had a limited dribble drive coming into last year. While his handles still need work - he's increased them considerably over one season and there is no reason to believe he won't continue to improve. He's never played lead guard and his passing skills were questioned coming into the league but he's shown a strong ability to play make as an off guard whereas ball is playing the lead guard. His defense has jumped to being the best one on one player on the team in just one year. He's outperformed Ball in his first two seasons. Ball was raised to do nothing other than play basketball since birth and his peak isn't too far from where his current play resides. Ball is on a better team and is only marginally better now.
He's quick....sure, but it hasn't led to anything good. He's still an inefficient scorer. You are smoking crack if you think there is literally ANYTHING good about his defense. He's one of the worst defensive players in the entire league....a flat out joke. Like I said, the only serious thing you can say is that "I have blind faith that one day he'll get good" because as of right now, Green isn't a good player.
https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-pol...-tatum-ja-morant-zion-williamson-lamelo-ball/ this poll favors your position as Ball being more valued- for now - but Ball has already fallen 4 spots while green jumped onto the list after not being on it last year. It does not favor your blind take of it being homerism's hope of what Green will be. the poll is close with NBA GM's position. Not bobby's crappy takes. Let's see what it says next year.
I do not think we have seen the last of LaMelo, I wasn't a fan but if he is the real deal, a PG is the one controlling the pace of the game, setting up everyone, that itself is more valuable than a quick first step or superior scoring at the rim. I wasn't furious at Stone for that but it was obvious that a Shooting guard wouldn't be the position to control a game and make others around him better unless he is Harden himself.
I absolutely don't care about the opinion of random nobodies. I need to see some factual basis for claims or I outright reject them until some factual basis becomes available. Right now, here's a snapshot of the Rockets....doesn't look too great, notice who is all by themselves down there at the bottom as the worst defensive player on the team. Here's the exact same thing, but for Charlotte
Green is not better than Ball right now. It us fair to project he ends up better. It’s fair to project he doesn’t. I think most objective people in the board understand Bobby and his strategy of un-relenting arrogance. Green has done plenty of good and plenty of improving in 100 games. A lot of his deficiencies are coaching and point guard related but acknowledging that would run against too often being impish and not admirable.
It's an NBA executive poll. Those are random nobodies? And Ball's overall team is better giving him more space to work and have a positive effect. It's one of the downfalls of statistics for nubes - you've got to understand limitations to interpret. Furthermore, I'm on record as saying this would be an up and down year for Green because team's are going to focus their defense on him and he's got to learn to play through. (see DD's overenthusiastic beginning of year thread of Scoot and Green)
Ball is the real deal. Not questioning that. GM's already have a close valuation between the two and I'm a believer in Jalen's future. You don't need a great point guard when you've got a great off guard. Remind me of who Jordan's point guards were. Or Olajuwon's for that matter.
Honestly, I didn't even look at it, because polls tell me nothing of value. Having looked at it, they allegedly polled 15 "NBA executives" asking their top 5 players under 25. Each vote was given a number of points, A first place vote was worth 5 points, a second place vote was worth 4 points, a 3rd place vote was worth 3 points, a 4th place vote was worth 2 points, a 5th place vote was worth 1 point. The maximum points you could get was 75, Jalen got 2 total points. I'm not sure how this can be spun as a good thing. It either means 2 out of 15 thought he was the 5th best player under 25, or one out of 15 thought he was the 4th best player under 25. That's not a ringing endorsement....moreover, it's not something of substance. I showed you a chart that shows Ball is a better offensive player than anyone on the Rockets while being a meciocre to poor defender, it's based on actual performance. The same metric shows Green being a mediocre offensive player and the absolute worst defensive player on either team. To me, that is more convincing than a random poll.
While I don't think it lacks substance - I do think your take is fair here. Let's see how it plays out. I think the players are similar in value and that one is on a shitty team while one is on an ok team.
No, but you do trade Sengun, KJ, and TyTy plus any picks we have left to trade (including this year's) for LaMelo. Then you use your cap space to sign Myles Turner and Kyle Kuzma. Guards: Ball/Green/Porter/Mathews/Christopher Forwards: Smith/Kuzma/Eason/Tate Centers: Turner/Fernando/Garuba
