To watch you squirm out of yet another ridiculous comp for Sengun is comedy gold! For you to claim ad ignorantum on top of it all makes me wonder if you are legally allowed to make your own decisions. Sengun is not now AND WILL NEVER BE a better scorer than Jalen Green WITHOUT A JUMPSHOT. Cope with that how you must. To become nostalgic and throw about Shaq, Timmy D or any other post player from 20 years ago shows just how out of sorts your reasoning is. Stick to the "Sengun is pretty efficient" takes - they hold more water.
It's not a comparison, nobody is asking you to make a comparison. I never said Sengun was anything like Zion, and the Shaq thing wasn't a comparison either. Like, if I say "it's impossible for the Grizzlies to win a championship because you cannot win with a 6'2 guard as your best player" and then you say "What about Steph Curry?", I don't get to turn around say "LMAO you think JA MORANT is as good as STEPH CURRY????" That's not a comparison that anyone is trying to make. The point is not to say the players are the same, the point is just to dispute the claim. The claim that "no team with a 6'2 guard can win the championship" is demonstrably false, because Steph Curry did it. That doesn't mean the grizzlies will win, it just means that you can't use that as a reason they won't. When you say that Sengun can't be an effective scorer if he can only score in the paint, and someone says "what about Shaq?" then that's disputing your point, not comparing Sengun to Shaq. Then you said okay, but in the modern era. So I said Zion. Again, not because I think Zion is a comparable player, but to demonstrate that you can be a dominant scorer in the modern league even if all you do is score in the restricted area.
Hegel said: "One writes hoping to reach likewise minds". Total aim is here same Hegelian thought: to reach to similar minds and discuss. It was a very good discussion till the gent became mute when I asked "to whom you compare JGreen with, compare his deficiencies and give us 3 names as you compared Alpi to Embiid, Jokic and kind of AD". Still no answer. When dudes behave like that you start to evaluate their honesty/openness/mental capacity/knowledge of basketball/ upbringing/trustability. If you want to compare Rox players to other NBA players position by position Alpi will get the highest mark and KPJ the lowest. JGreen, Jabari between. Why these dudes are eager to attack to Alpi but embarrassed to say anything for the others. What makes them very optimistic for the other players and quite pessimistic for Sengun. What is their guiding motif? Please advise.
No way did they try and act like Hakeem wasn't athletic... Or that Sengun is comparable to Shaq or Zion. Pure insanity. That argument holds no weight, the reason Shaq and Zion were/are supremely effective in the paint is sheer overwhelming strength and athleticism, Sengun aint that. Now, I do massively disagree with the take that Sengun can't be effective on a contender, he brings a lot to the table. He might have to sit sometimes if his foot speed and twitch doesn't improve (but I'm pretty sure I've seen somebody say he was working on plyometrics etc so he knows it) and that and extending his range is ultimately what defines whether he's a solid starter who sits when he's schemed for, or a bonafide all star who can hang in those situations. Either of those scenarios he's still a damn valuable member of the roster as far as I'm concerned.
Some pretty interesting mental gymnastics going on. So I'll add my revolving door - who in todays game is this scoring demon you guys allude to with 90%+ of the shot diet coming within 5 feet? Sengun going for 10 baby hooks a game is going to be a difference maker in todays game? We just gonna "dump it into the post" on last possessions? Zion plays nothing like Sengun though - so this exercise was just to discredit a comment, but not the overall premise? We're fast approacing the crazy hours!
No apparently it was confusion with semantics! Dudes saying Sengun is a better scorer than Jalen is how it started. I said there was no way a one dimensional post player would be a better scorer than Jalen. They bring up Shaq. I laugh. Then it turns into a 'well we are just discrediting your comment that post players cant be great scorers", but my main gripe was with the "Sengun is a better scorer than Jalen" BS and then things digress as they naturally do around these parts. Im not sure how many god damn times I have to say how highly I think of Alpy as a prospect, but apparently the only way to support the guy is to go fishing for puff pieces and to never bring up his flaws because apparently he has none! This was a wild destruction of several logical fallacies all in one thought - just when I thought I had seen it all here!
Dude, you're the one who made the claim, it's not mental gymnastics to dispute it. You wrote it down and you put it out there. If you want to give a different reason or a better reason then feel free. But your supporting argument was bad. I can think of like 5 valid reasons off the top of my head for why Sengun isn't a better scorer than Jalen. But "you can't be an effective scorer if you only score in the restricted area" isn't one of them.
Got it! My bad didnt mean to offend all of you Sengun guys -- he's the best thing since sliced bread and we can definitely win a championship feeding him in the post on most possessions since its been such an obvious part of the last 10 or so champion teams. Better?
I am in a American Sports Bar in London, waiting Rox game, having beer and watching an NFL game meaninglessly (oklahoma-florida). The beer matches to what I am having here but I have better surrounding than Silas, no one here seems in throw-up situation.
Thanks for getting what I was trying to put down. Totally agree that it really depends on how you project Sengun’s skill set. I see Jokic as more or less an outlier as modern centers go so my thinking is Sengun likely isn’t going to be Jokic level any time soon as Jokic just broke that mold but maybe this is Sengun being the next guy after Banister (months later) to break the 4 minute mile…I’m skeptical but welcome it. I will say I do hope Sengun stays with the team - he has high basketball IQ and good things happen when players like that are around. I’ve definitely seen A LOT of improvement from him but I still see a lot of poor defensive positioning habits(one of the reasons he picks up cheap fouls because he is out of position), and the shooting doesn’t seem to have been improved much from what I can see in game play. I agree the guards and general team defensive principles probably make him look worse than he actually is because **** rolls downhill to the basket Sengun is trying to protect. I do think Sengun would be better suited to a different style of offense - I think this team would be deadly if we operated in a Golden State like offense and Sengun in the Draymond spot would be killer but that’s the antithesis of Silas’ system which is why I didn’t even bring it up. I think Silas really only can operate a ball creator centric offensive system…it works for the Hardens and Lukas of the world, but I think it’s always going to be a bad fit for this team but it’s the paradigm we have been stuck with in Houston since Harden and D’Antoni first got here. Frankly I’m sick of it and see little evidence that it is more than a recipe for good regular season teams…maybe Luka breaks through(maybe Lebron already did) but at that point it’s really about the greatness of an individual player and less about the merits of a system. I think the world of Jalen Green but he isn’t ever going to be a Luka or Lebron.
Solid point - we can all agree Sengun needs more minutes…Nix and Gordon have no place on this roster at this stage. One has one foot out the door looking for another team, the other one foot out of the league. Garuba I can sort of see but Fernando has done little since returning from injury(although he did look okay Pre-Injury)
Why are you regulating the only two offensive systems in existence as a post up centered offense and a heliocentric ball handler offense?
