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Woj: Harden Return?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Htown Legend, Dec 25, 2022.

  1. groovemachine

    groovemachine Member

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    Wouldn’t overpay for Harden.
     
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    This conversation/ rumor is pointless. Rockets are rebuilding and do you think the owner is going to sign him after what he pulled 2 years ago?

    Harden 34 years old, numbers will drop off the radar. But fools want him to come here and pass to wemby, and eat up half the payroll again. Stupidity...
     
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  4. DatRocketFan

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    Stupidity is doing nothing to address the pg position. Say we didn't draft Scoot, what then? Did u see the free agency list for guards? U want another year of kpj at pg?

    Folks b hating on Harden but offers no viable solution to the pg problem

    Can't fathom the mindset of those who would say no thanks to Harden rejoining the Rockets franchise.
    HoF talent, double digits points, playmaking for days. One of the greatest Rockets ever.

    Ya, no thanks I'm fine with kpj as our pg.
     
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  5. larsv8

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    I am pro - Harden returning, but the PG "problem" is not really a problem of any real urgency.

    We are still in asset collection and still figuring out what our core is.

    Once we know what that foundation is, we can worrying about balancing the roster, but this PG urgency "problem" is mostly manufactured.

    We can figure that part out at a later time.
     
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  6. DatRocketFan

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    I would argue that the lack of a real point guard hinders the development of everybody else.
     
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  7. larsv8

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    Not sure why everyone thinks this. I would argue that having a good PG making things easy for them, in fact, hinders their development.

    That aside, 95% of the team's development is off the court anyway.
     
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  9. daywalker02

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    I actually enjoyed the time without Harden, yeah players like KPj, Green, Bari and Sengun divided the fanbase but not to the extent a Jeremy Lin or Harden did.

    Let him feed the Shake Miltons, Bruce Browns somewhere else.

    Always good for some regular season wins and a playoff run.

    You basically have the same mud fight every day with a declining version of the very same player who played here in his prime.

    Maybe it's worth it for his fans but I enjoyed the calm before the storm.
     
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  10. daywalker02

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    The PG position isn't the sole position of playmaking.

    Ben Simmons before he fell off, Boris Diaw Riffiod, Franz Wagner, Penny Hardaway, Banchero are examples.

    Lebron. Joker.....Alperen Sengün

    There would be no problem if Harden was flexible to other systems but he ain't.

    He is a dribbler while the other 3 or 4 are in the corners watching.

    His style hasn't changed and it's not modern either.

    And off the court he isn't controllable, he gains weight, he parties.....he thinks about splitting to a new team while the team is fighting out there.

    And yes some say he is Rodman when talking about a man child but Rodman wasn't the main face of that Bulls team.

    So HOF talent yes but an unreliable human being without much self constraint!
     
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  11. Icehouse

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    Harden would clearly be an upgrade and no one on his level will take our $$. He can have CP3 like impact for Green and Smith, which should be the goal. I'd rather TF spend the $$ on him than not spend it. When he's done it will be time to pay the kids and hopefully by then we are competitive enough for support players to want to come here.
     
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    Tank fans can cry all they want. If Harden wants to come back, it will happen.
     
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  13. DatRocketFan

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    different strokes for different folks.
    some think throwing their kid into the water will make dem learn and adapt faster
    while others want to ease them in with a proper coach.

    all i know is kpj isn't making life easier for his teammates especially smith
    Still seeing no list of alternatives aside of your bias against harden. We all know that sengun isn't gonna b the one play making as long as silas and kpj are here.

    So basically u are saying no to Harden, and roll another year with kpj. Hopefully the front office realize that it's sht and pivot towards sengun?
     
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    I am an emphatic yes on Harden.

    My only point was, the don't agree in the urgency of the "PG problem"
     
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    You can't tank in a year where you don't have your pick.
     
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    They’d have us tank into eternity so we can talk about draft picks instead of wins.
     
  17. daywalker02

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    The alternative is to trade or gain more picks while we can and get that playmaker, it may take time but we are already in this rebuilding game.

    Just because you can't see it long term doesn't mean it can't exist.

    Jalen and Jabari are fine but they aren't elite ball handlers or facilitators.

    I mean if Harden would do some good, Harden would establish the Harden foundation for poor kids playing basketball, fostering young ball handlers.

    With all the money he earned.
     
  18. theDude

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    The problem is that we have used a 1st round pick on an actual PG who is on the bench third deep behind a SG who cant shoot that is masquerading as a PG, and an undrafted nobody who the team claims has lottery value PG. This team is a clusterfck from the top down.
     
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  19. daywalker02

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    The Nix infatuation is frustrating af and KPJ yeah he is KPJ.
     
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  20. vince

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    I would really like to see what Harden could do with this young group of guys on the Rockets. He is an elite player and he has elite skills.

    He is still a player within all star playing style (maybe no longer MVP quality) but a guy I’d absolutely try an sign in free agency, if he wanted to come back to Houston.
     
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