ClutchFans Game Thread: Mavericks @ Rockets 12/23/2022

Are you guys the same person? It's hard to believe more than one person could believe something that's so obviously wrong.

 

If young Dwight is the bench mark then every 6’10/6’11 player in the league is below average.
I don’t think you understand what below average means. The average vertical for NBA athletes is 28”, Alp is very much above that.
But it’s like you said, he’s an off the move leaper. He has to work on his strength and explosion, that will help him unlock more defensively and finishing late game.
That with extending his range and shooting with more confidence will put him in the upper echelon of Centers in the league.

 

I didn't take that response to be suggesting that Dwight Howard is the "benchmark" of athleticism in the NBA. I took the comment simply to be responding to this somewhat insulting post from another poster:

I think Sengun is athletic enough, although it is of the type that is sometimes described as "sneakily athletic" which of course sometimes (not always) can be code for "sturdy"

 

Everybody i know within proffesional basketball backgrojnd says the same thing „i hate watching rockets because of wasted potential, no coaching and zero structure”

 

That’s fair.
I just get tired of the rhetoric, it’s false. Is he an upper tier athlete? Hell no.
But he’s not a bottom tier one either. He still has to improve physically, just like Jalen and Jabari. They haven’t reached their final forms physically or athletically

 

Alpi was basically fat when he was younger, he already looks more athletic, but the trainers should really train with him in the weight room and he should probably go on some kind of near keto diet. He has already come a long way.

Similarly, I think Green needs to add some muscle, but not too much, if he gets heavier, the leaping ability gets impacted.

And Jabari just needs to add a lot of muscle still.

 

On that note.
I’ve been looking at the different play type defenses for Alp and our main starters.

Jabari is elite at PNR roll defense. Alp is below average but better than Capela, Ayton, Lopez, Barnes, Portis. The same as Nurkic and .03 PPP away from Mobley.

Iso defense PPP Alp .84 Green 1.18 Porter 1.12 Jabari 1.14 Garuba 1.06 Bruno 1.50 (1 percentile)
Eason, KJ, Gordon and Mathews around .7

Post defense Porter is elite at .46, Green and Alp at 1.0 flat, Jabari 1.21, KJ at 1.3, Tari at .94

This rhetoric that Alp is the worst defender on the team isn’t based on facts.

 

He's a grower not a shot a shower.

 

Exactly what Os said, I wasn't saying that Dwight was the benchmark, I was simply responding to the asshat of a poster in kind to the way he came at me (like most of the wackjob SOF's do whenever anybody shares honest assessment on Sengun.) Sengun's athleticism for his position is genuinely nothing special. In the NBA as a whole, he is below average, that's not a criticism, it's a fact. Look at the actual athletic players in the league and how easily they get up, how fluid they move and how fast they are and then tell me Sengun's above average? He has sufficient athleticism to be a starter in the NBA, no question. HOWEVER, his athleticism and inability to shoot consistently anywhere in the mid range or beyond are what's holding him back from star potential. He's only a threat in one area of the court, and he's undersized and not that strong for his position. These things matter, whether his fans like it or not. I hope he gets there, I'm a big fan of his game, but right now the more realistic expectation is a solid starter, not the perennial all-star and MVP candidate his wacko fans claim he is.

 

Hey bullsh!te artist: You were saying Sengun committed 2 low-IQ turnovers before and now you bellydance your way into claiming those TO's were committed the game before this?
Get a spine transplant, worm.

 

Athletic testing and training is my profession, with Olympic athletes. I’m not claiming Alp is an elite athlete, he’s an average athlete with some above average traits. But it’s also very obvious he’s a late bloomer physically, a Great Dane puppy.
You can’t look at the upper tier athletes and think anyone below that is below average. There are a ton of relatively poor athletes in the league, that averages out the elites.

Alp is already a good starter, by virtually every metric. He has all star potential imo, but in order to reach it he has to get stronger and develop range.

 

The "paid" part must be true.
As to the services rendered, I'm sure posting on CF is the easiest of them.

 

Never let that idiot live that down. He’s an absolute ass clown

 

So are you saying Dwight's dunks are worth 4 points?

 

People really mad about last night's loss huh?

 

To add to this.
PNR ball handler defense KPJ is at .99 28th percentile Green at .80 for 70th percentile Jabari at .90
Gordon, Tari, Mathews are worse than KPJ. Our PNR defense on ball is terrible.

KPJ ball handler offense is among the worst in the league when you factor in attempts. Green is significantly better but still below average

 

There would be no war - all existence would simply cease

 

Absolutely, I agree with everything you're saying here. I think the difference is where most rational fans see "all star POTENTIAL" many of the SOF's talk like he's literally at this moment an all-star calibre player and perennial MVP candidate, it's ridiculous. Of course he has the potential, like I say if his strength/speed/grace (read: athleticism) improves and he develops any kind of shooting at range (be that an old school mid-range game that would compliment his old school post game the way the greats did it in the past, or a more modern 3 ball - as long as it works I don't care) whilst becoming an average defender, that's an all star calibre player. He just isn't there yet, and it gets old getting attacked just for saying those facts. As of this minute, he is not a top 5 player at his position in the NBA, his fans need to stop acting like the entire team should revolve around him, he's probably 3rd on the list of potential players on our roster we can build around behind Green and Smith. That's not a negative statement, but his fans will take it as a heinous one regardless.