Elon vs Twitter update: Elon helped America win , Tesla stock through the roof

Did anything on the laptop say "The Big Guy" was Joe Biden? Nope.

 

Taking someone to a party and having him shake your dad's hand doesn't mean your dad is in cahoots with that friend.

That's not circumstantial, that's nothing.

 

pretty sure the Big Guy was Alperen Sengun

 

https://jonathanturley.org/2022/12/...ng-to-its-role-in-twitters-censorship-system/

“Conspiracy Theorists…Attempting to Discredit the Agency”: The FBI Attacks Critics Objecting to its Role in Twitter’s Censorship System
by jonathanturley
December 22, 2022

It is not clear what is more chilling: the menacing role played by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in Twitter’s censorship program or its mendacious response to the disclosure of that role. This week saw another FBI “nothing-to-see-here” statement to the release of files detailing how it actively sought to suppress the Hunter Biden story before the 2020 election, gave millions to Twitter, and targeted even satire or tiny posts that did not conform with its guidelines.

The releases document what some of us have long alleged: a system of censorship by surrogate or proxy. The FBI has largely shrugged and said that there is nothing concerning about over 80 agents working on the censoring of posters, including many American citizens.

In the latest statement, the FBI stated it did not command Twitter to take any specific action when flagging accounts to be censored:

“We are providing it so that they can take whatever action they deem appropriate under their terms of service to protect their platform and protect their customers, but we never direct or ask them to take action.”​

The files shows a previously undisclosed back channel of contacts where the FBI nudged Twitter to censor posters and Twitter proceeded to do so. Many are like the Nov. 10th email saying “Hello Twitter contacts, FBI San Francisco is notifying you of the below accounts which may potentially constitute violations of Twitter’s Terms of Service for any action or inaction deemed appropriate within Twitter policy.”

Notably, when four such accounts were given such purely discretionary, not-threatening-in-the-slightest flags, Twitter suspended three of the four accounts were suspended, and called for a review the fourth account flagged by the FBI for “possible civic misinformation.”

It is all just friendly chit chat from the “Public Sector Engagement Squad” at FBI’s San Francisco office.

The files also reveal a message to the former Deputy General Counsel (and former FBI General Counsel) Jim Baker revealed that Twitter collected $3,415,323 from the FBI.

“Jim, FYI, in 2019 SCALE instituted a reimbursement program for our legal process response from the FBI. Prior to the start of the program, Twitter chose not to collect under this statutory right of reimbursement for the time spent processing requests from the FBI. I am happy to report we have collected $3,415,323 since October 2019! This money is used by LP for things like the TTR and other LE-related projects (LE training, tooling, etc.).”​

The FBI spokesperson said,

“The correspondence between the FBI and Twitter show nothing more than examples of our traditional, longstanding and ongoing federal government and private sector engagements, which involve numerous companies over multiple sectors and industries. As evidenced in the correspondence, the FBI provides critical information to the private sector in an effort to allow them to protect themselves and their customers.”

“The men and women of the FBI work every day to protect the American public. It is unfortunate that conspiracy theorists and others are feeding the American public misinformation with the sole purpose of attempting to discredit the agency.”​

What is striking about this statement is that the FBI is now adopting the language of pundits on the left that any objections to its role in censorship is a “conspiracy theory.” Rather than acknowledge the concerns and pledge to work with Congress to guarantee transparency, it is attacking free speech advocates who are raising the concern that Twitter had become an agent of the government in censorship. Notably, Twitter itself now believes that such an agency relationship existed.

The statement shows an agency that is still engaged in framing public opinion and echoing the narrative being advanced by the White House. There are some who would question whether “working every day to protect the American public” should include censoring the public to protect it against errant or misleading ideas. There was a time when that was not a “conspiracy theory.”
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The FBI aka the deep state would rather protect big pronoun industry than oil and gas and defense industry. It's big pronoun industry where you get all the nefarious power brokers that run modern civilization.

 

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https://jonathanturley.org/2022/12/...-role-in-suppressing-the-hunter-laptop-story/

December 21 2022 7:44 AM
“Probing & Pushing Everywhere”: New Twitter Releases Confirm the FBI’s Role in Suppressing the Hunter Laptop Story
by jonathanturley

Below is my column on Fox.com on the most recent release of Twitter files detailing the FBI’s direct involvement in the targeting and censoring of citizens. The most notable aspect is the effort by the FBI to censor references to the Hunter Biden scandal before the 2020 election. Here is the column:

“They are probing & pushing everywhere.” That line sums up an increasingly alarming element in the seventh installment of the so-called “Twitter files.” “They” were the agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation and they were pushing for the censorship of citizens in an array of stories.

Writer Michael Shellenberger added critical details on how the FBI was directly engaged in censorship at the company. However, this batch of documents contains a particularly menacing element to the FBI/Twitter censorship alliance. The documents shows what writer Shellenberger described as a concentrated effort “to discredit leaked information about Hunter Biden before and after it was published.”

Twitter has admitted that it made a mistake in blocking the Hunter laptop story. after roughly two years, even media that pushed the false “Russian disinformation” claims have acknowledged that the laptop is authentic.

Yet, those same networks and newspapers are now imposing a new de facto blackout on covering the details of the Twitter files on the systemic blacklisting, shadow banning, and censorship carried out in conjunction with the government.

The references to the new Hunter Biden evidence were also notable in the dates of these backchannel communications. On October 13, weeks before the election, FBI Special Agent Elvis Chan sent 10 documents to Twitter’s then-Head of “Trust & Safety” Yoel Roth as part of its ongoing efforts. Twitter officials have said the FBI pressure played a role in spiking the laptop story. It was the next day the New York Post ran its story on the laptop and its incriminating content. The United States government played a key role trying to bury a story damaging to the Democrats before the election.

The Twitter files now substantiate the earlier allegations of “censorship for surrogate” or proxy. While the First Amendment applies to the government, it can also apply to agents of the government. Twitter itself now admits that it acted as an agent in these efforts.

The current media blackout on the Twitter files story only deepens these concerns. For years, media figures have denied Twitter was engaging in censorship, blacklisting, shadow banning and other techniques targeting conservatives. The release of the files has shattered those denials. There is simply no further room for censorship apologists.

In a city that relies on “plausible deniability,” there is no longer a plausible space left in the wake of the releases. All that remains is silence — the simple refusal to acknowledge the government-corporate alliance in this massive censorship system.

To cover the story is to admit that the media also followed the same course as Twitter in hampering any discussion of this influence peddling scandal. Indeed, while the media is now forced to admit that the laptop is authentic, it cannot get itself to address the authentic emails contained in that laptop. Those emails detail millions of dollars in influence peddling by the Biden family. They also detail the knowledge and involvement of Joe Biden despite his repeated denial of any knowledge of the deals.

Those files also raise potential criminal acts that some of us have been writing about for two years. The emails are potentially incriminating on crimes ranging from tax violations to gun violations. In the very least, it is a target rich environment for investigators or prosecutors.

Yet, earlier disclosures showed that key FBI figures tamped down any investigation into the laptop. The latest documents now show the FBI also actively pressured the media to kill the story. That raises deeply troubling questions of the FBI politicalization. After Watergate, the Congress moved aggressively to pursue the use of the bureau by a president for political purposes. There is little call from the media for such an investigation today when the bureau is accused of working for Democratic rather than Republican interests.

The record of such bias extends beyond the Twitter files. In the prior years, FBI agents were found to have shown overt political bias in the handling of FBI investigations. The agency continued to rely on sources like the Steele dossier despite warnings that the Clinton-funded report was likely Russian disinformation. Yet, when it came to Hunter Biden, the FBI reportedly was not interested in aggressively pursuing an investigation while calling on social media companies to censor any discussion of the scandal before the election. It continued to do so despite Twitter executives “repeatedly” indicating there was “very little” Russian activity on the platform.

In January 2020, Twitter’s then director of policy and philanthropy, Carlos Monje Jr., expressed unease on the pressure coming from the FBI and said “They are probing & pushing everywhere they can (including by whispering to congressional staff).”

The question is why the FBI would be “probing & pushing everywhere” despite the fact that the Russian investigation had exposed prior bias related to the 2016 election. That was no deterrent to killing a story viewed as damaging to the Biden campaign.

In the end, the government-corporate alliance failed. Despite the refusal of many in the media to cover the Twitter files, nearly two-thirds of voters believe Twitter shadow-banned users and engaged in political censorship during the 2020 election. Seventy percent of voters want new national laws protecting users from corporate censorship.

It is clear that any such reforms should include a full investigation of the FBI and its involvement in censorship efforts. As many as 80 agents reportedly were committed to this effort. It is clear now that, if we are to end censorship by surrogate, the House will have to “probe and push everywhere” in the FBI for answers.
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I have become quite wary of the words "misinformation", "conspiracy theory", etc.

Seems like they are now used routinely to discredit opinions and viewpoints which aren't the government's preferred ones, regardless of whether the government's ones are actually proven by indisputable evidence.

 

Come back to me when you actually care about powerful oppressive systems for the right reasons.

 

You wouldn't know a conspiracy if it slapped you in the face.

You believe mathematicians and climate academics have more pull in society than a trillion dollar industry that requires the status quo to continue to maintain their growth rates.

You let tweets sway your world view.

 

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Good. I’m glad you recognize that.

While that is a distinction from a free speech side of it saying that it’s not that big of a deal if done by an individual for capricious whims is hardly reassuring.

I will grant you that you aren’t an absolutist and apologize for applying that term to you. That said you’ve repeatedly say you’re on the side of free speech and taken Twitter and other forums to task for what you call “censorship”. You’ve even cited Mill for your argument for supporting free speech when twitters bans over incitement of violence are exactly where Mill draw the line.

In this case I think even if we accepted that access to Twitter is a right, which it isn’t, Mill would likely be horrified by a single individual banning people at whim. Which to your credit you don’t agree with but rationalize it.

 

I’m not on Twitter and never have been. My interest is because I own Tesla stock (which does anffect my bottom line) and out of an interest in current affairs.

 

I still find it very hard to claim that the FBI was out to get Trump when I’m 2016 they were investigating both Hillary Clinton and Trump yet publicly only revealed they were investigating Clinton.

And again in 2020 Trump still got more votes than he did in 2016. If this story could’ve made such a difference (and note the Trump campaign and others were pushing it in 2020 so it wasn’t a secret) it still seems odd that Biden didn’t defeat a trump by more.

 

He keeps flip flopping.

Here's a thread.

 

Pumps TSLA stock to retail dummies. Cashes out billions to buy TWTR.

sells billions more in stock after saying he is done......
he said yesterday he is done. LOL. okay elon. okay.

 

Elon has extracted the real worth of Tesla in stock sales and I applaud him for that. Musk gets to keep his billions. Everyone else is a bag holder.

 

No he didn't - he dumped all that money into Twitter and then lit it on fire by destroying its value. And also destroyed the value of Tesla through negiglence and brand destruction, which still accounts for the vast majority of his net worth.

 

I've heard Tesla is dead and they've stopped making cars