Doug Flutie isn’t worth discussing because it’s just too far back. The nfl is different today. Johnny and Kyler both had significant issues in college with maturity. Kyler wasn’t even sure he wanted to play football and now we know he prioritizes playing video games over watching tape. Johnny was an even worse head case. Don’t see how these are any different than a Jamarcus Russell or any of the many other qbs that had similar red flags in college but were taken anyway because they were big and had a strong arm.
I just pointed out three. There are more. Didn't figure you would see what I'm talking about. I wasted my time. The recency bias isn't valid either, players are bigger and faster now than ever. Short QB's winning championships are even less likely to happen now than 30 years ago. Know history what makes you so sure Young is a championship level QB? Did he win multiple championships in college? I must have missed them.
Short QBs are unlikely to win championships because there’s not that many of them. Not because they’re short. The majority of the league’s qbs are over 6’ and the majority of them will never win a championship. You offered the evidence that you had. I poked holes in it and now you’re throwing a tantrum. The game is played different than when Flutie played. That is a fact. Linebackers are generally smaller and faster than they used to be. College concepts are used much more liberally in nfl offenses. Mobile qbs are desired because they can make more plays off schedule and don’t necessarily require an outstanding offensive line. The nfl is more protective of qbs than it’s ever been, but despite the protection it’s almost inevitable that they’ll miss at least 1 game a season, no matter how big your qb is. Smaller qbs survive by being elusive. The more talented ones rarely take big hits. It’s hard to tackle a small target, especially with the rules in place now. If you’re going for hard hits, you will probably miss them.
Man, I sure do love tall quarterbacks. That Ryan Mallet was something. Why, I even miss Brock Osweiler. Yes, I would like another year of General Mills, please.
A tantrum? Lmao, disagreeing with you because you choose to ignore history isn't a tantrum. Debate is actually a good thing. How many of those elusive QBs have won SB's and you're right you can't be a statue, but movement within a 5 yd area is more important than running with the ball. See Burrow, Brady, Rodgers etc... All of that typing and you still can't seem to grasp the odds of a QB under 6'0 are very low. only 1 so far in NFL history and you're willing to be Young is the 2nd one? Yes the NFL is changing but it's not the way you think it is. Basic things are still basic things.
A qb doesn't win the super bowl alone. The team around them has to be good as well. How many short qbs have been on good teams? Russell Wilson and Drew Brees. The rest have not. I'm not ignoring history; I'm saying that statistically there's not enough of a sample size to draw any real conclusion either way. Burrow and Rodgers are both quite good at scrambling so even in the examples you give you contradict yourself. I agree that being elusive within the pocket is the most important skill but being able to escape and pick up yards when needed is almost necessary these days. There will likely never be another Tom Brady or Peyton Manning type qb that finds major success in the nfl. What I grasp and what you're failing to grasp, is that the odds of ANY qb winning a super bowl is very low. Height has much less to do with it than the team surrounding them and the coach.
Been too busy to follow the college prospects, but does Bryce Young: 1. Utilize the middle of the field, especially at intermediate range (10-20 yards)? 2. Rely too much on running/scrambling to make plays or keep the sticks moving? Because for many of the shorter rushing QB's, not doing the former and relying too much on the latter often limits their ceiling and longevity.
Lol you're resorting to this to win a debate. Ask yourself why only 1 team in NFL history has been able to build a team around a short QB? It's not like other teams haven't tried over the years. But the Texans are the org that's going to break the mold. I talked about QB's needing mobility within a 5-10 yd area. Even Brady still has this. You're a history denier, let's hope Cal/Caserio don't think like you. Although if I had to bet for marketing reasons Cal thinks exactly like you do. I don't think Young is a bad QB by any means and the team will improve with him at QB. But there will be no championships and a lot of excuses along the way.
They used to say black players weren’t smart enough to play qb, or that you couldn’t win with a mobile qb. Now, the best qbs are black and mobile.
Are they the best QB's? Right now I would say Allen, Burrow, Rodgers, Mahomes, Hurts and Rodgers, Brady are the best QB's with Herbert as an up and comer. Nothing to do with black QB's and not going down that rabbit hole. I'm rooting for Hurts to win a SB. He's a hometown guy who's worked really hard on improving from the pocket. But these mobile run at 1st sign of trouble guys aren't winning championships. Look at the last 5 SB winners and Mahomes is the only guy who really runs with the ball at all and he's a pass 1st guy. You gotta be able to throw from the pocket to win championships and it's been proven over time that short QB's struggle to throw from the pocket. As much as you want it to be your post simply is not factually correct.
This is why I like Young.. I know he doesn’t have the size.. but when I think of qb attributes: Size Arm strength Mobility Skin color Aren’t as important as an NFL brain. Picking up defenses, diagnosing coverages, etc. the rest can fail if you already know who is going to be open and where. anyways, maybe I’m wrong and hell, maybe Young doesn’t have that either. But I think he does. And a lot of those guys you mentioned have that above the rest, including the last one who happens to be double everyone else’s age, but it matters less when you’ve got this one attribute and we can all agree he’s the best in that category. *** psa the last attribute I listed was a joke, I don’t actually use that one…
That’s just how most nfl gms and front offices operated 20-30 years ago. I never said I shared the same thoughts or opinions.
Curious, are you counting children of interacial parents. Where do Mahomes. Tua, and Russell Wilson fall into this equation. Plus Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, and Justin Herbert say Hi.
Mahomes and Wilson are interracial but as a society, they are viewed as just black. I think tua is Samoan. I should’ve been more specific. I meant to say the best Qbs are black AND/OR mobile. Either black or mobile or both. Allen and Herbert ARE mobile, they are fast and can make plays outside of the pocket, Burrow, not so much. Statue qbs like brady are nearly gone in the nfl.
Mobility is a plus but not a requisite still. The common theme with all of the top guys is still their arm and ability to make plays with their arm. Processing, arm talent and then mobility is the 3 most important factors, in that order.
But, Wilson has fallen off a cliff. He’s no where near the top guys. Mahomes/Allen, Burrow, Herbert, Hurts, Tua, Goff, Geno, Rodgers, Brady, Lamar, Cousins, Prescott For this season it’s probably something like that order
