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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. No Worries

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    Put a rider on the next Ukrainian War bill, giving every US veteran $3000, and that would guarantee no Rs vote for it.
     
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  2. No Worries

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    Russian conscripts who signed up for one year of duty got news today.

     
  3. dobro1229

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    One things for sure, if you are a dude who cannot get anyone to sleep with you here in the US, Russia seems like a place where you'll finally have the odds in your favor.
     
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    To put it in another context, it's about what the defense department spends every 2 weeks - a number the GOP thinks is too low and is constantly demanding be increased (but apparently not actually used to win wars). I think Dems would be happy to spend more on cancer research.
     
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  7. Ubiquitin

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    Imagine how the US economy would look, for better or a lot worse if the US defense budget decreased to 1/100th of what it is now.
     
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    Assassination attempt (?) on Dimitri Rogozin, blow-hard former head of the Russian space program at a restaurant in occupied Donetsk. He was basically fired from Roscosmos by Putin for being too militant and aggressive, so couldn't happen to a nicer guy.



     
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  9. Commodore

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    **** off
     
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    Excellent piece in The Atlantic today.

    The Brutal Alternate World in Which the U.S. Abandoned Ukraine
    Ukrainian resistance and American support prevented a wide range of horrors.


    By Anne Applebaum

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    Had the Russian plan been carried out as it was written, Kyiv would have been conquered in just a few days. Zelensky, his wife, and his children would have been murdered by one of the hit squads that roamed the capital city. The Ukrainian state would have been taken over by the collaborators who had already chosen their Kyiv apartments. Then, city by city, region by region, the Russian army would have fought the remnants of the Ukrainian army until it finally conquered the entire country. Originally, the Russian general staff imagined that this victory would require six weeks.

    Had all of that happened as planned, Ukraine would now be pockmarked with the concentration camps, torture chambers, and makeshift prisons that have been discovered in Bucha, Izyum, Kherson, and all the other territories temporarily occupied by Russia and liberated by the Ukrainian army. A generation of Ukrainian writers, artists, politicians, journalists, and civic leaders would already be buried in mass graves. Ukrainian books would have been removed from schools and libraries. The Ukrainian language would have been suppressed in all public spaces. Hundreds of thousands more Ukrainian children would have been kidnapped and transported to Russia or trafficked farther around the world.

    Russian soldiers, strengthened by their stunning victory, would already be on the borders of Poland, setting up new command posts, digging new trenches. NATO would be in chaos; the entire alliance would be forced to spend billions to prepare for the inevitable invasion of Warsaw, Vilnius, or Berlin. Millions of Ukrainian refugees would be living in camps all across Europe, with no prospect of ever returning home; the tide of sympathy that originally greeted them would have ebbed long ago, the money would be running out, the backlash under way. The Moldovan economy would have collapsed entirely; a pro-Russian government in Moldova would perhaps already be planning to incorporate that country into the emerging Russian-Belarusian-Ukrainian federation that one Russian propagandist hailed, too early, on February 26.
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    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...ky-congress-speech-us-ukraine-support/672547/

    Go read the whole thing. It's worth it.
     
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    Then why don't they? They have the House, Senate, and the Presidency?
     
  17. JuanValdez

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    Well, you need 60 votes to get thru the Senate. And you have to endure the public debate on spending. Can spend some chits to get it done anyway if it's really important, but can do that only so often.
     
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    similar piece in the WSJ today

    Zelensky Deserves More U.S. Support
    The U.S. would be far worse off today if Putin had conquered Ukraine.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/volody...inistration-11671661698?mod=opinion_lead_pos1
     
  19. Ottomaton

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    Achievement unlocked. 100,000 dead little piggies.
     
  20. Invisible Fan

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    lol it was only 6 months ago when the same people were b****ing about the libruhl guv spoiling folks and making them too lazy or picky for work by helicoptering money like there was no tomorrow.

    Simple morons so reactionary to the point where it's obvious they'll twist anything to make their team to look good.

    No one will pay attention to grown men who cry nonstop.
     
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