I think this 34 years version of Eric Gordon is overrated IMO. He has lost a lot of game, he could still be a valuable shooter but I do think he lost a step or two. Don't let the other people know.
I'll say this: Sengun is a much better athlete than I thought he'd be and much better than he gets credit for. His poster on the Spurs is a testament to that. Could he be a plus defender? He would have to absolutely scour game film like Peyton Manning used to do to make sure he understands the matchups, switches and tendencies of the players. Will he do that? Probably not but we will see. I will say that I don't think that he's a much worse defender (if anything he's probably better) than one Paolo Banchero. If Sengun works on his long distance shot and on his defense then he could become an integral hub in the offense. He definitely has more moxie than other players like him.
Alperen is #7 in ORB% at 14.2, #38 at DRB% at 21.2, and #24 in TRB% at 17.7. Bruno and Garuba aren't even listed on this page. https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2023_advanced.html And this is with his minutes cut because SIlas is trying to make those two more relevant. Alperen is obviously more offensively skilled than those two, while also being arguably as good or (clearly) better than them at rebounding.
On the HOUSTON ROCKETS case specific site BOTH Bruno and Garuba have a higher overall TREB% and Bruno has a higher OREB% --- explain it away. Obviously the league numbers are using a certain qualifier -- what is it? MPG? Games played? https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/2023.html
What you write sounds sensibly written, but is wrong. You could have made all those same arguments about Jokic. Sengun's ceiling is a more athletic Jokic.
any basketball literate can tell this by just watching a few games. The gap between Sengun and other centers in this roster is MASSIVE. Btw it’s not to diminish others but this is a well established fact.
Ok, but this stat says that while he's on the court he grabs 19.6% of available rebounds. Yes or No? Same for Usman while having a bigger sample size than Bruno and smaller than Sengun he still grabs 18.1 available rebounds. People overamplifying Sengun and diminishing other guys on the court is wack. I'll listen to the nuance and context if you want to be genuine.
Nobody could guess in the past how Jokic would be today. That goes for Sengun as well. Comparing their ages of 20, Sengun is a better player than Jokic. The only difference is how much of a usage that Jokic had at his sophomore year. If we had a competent coach, Sengun could easily average 20-10-5 this season.
Yes, I am not saying Sengun will definitely become as good as Jokic. But that is his ceiling. Rockets should feature him and focus on his growth.
Small sample size is unreliable. That's what I am saying. You can't say he grabs 19.6% of available rebounds and therefore a better rebounder than Sengun. You know what, Nix had the best +/- last night. He must be our best player. Why isn't he a starter? KPJ move over!
See you guys are a hoot. So sentimental. Dude says "Sengun is a far superior rebounder to the lob threat" in a passive aggressive hissy fit -- numbers dont bear that out and here you go just adding more feelings. Par for the course. Like I said you dont want to be genuine and only want to enjoy the petty. Its all good Im here for that too.
Eye test tells the same story and you think it’s just by luck how Sengun is ranked among the best rebounders. don’t trust stats, don’t trust metrics…not even eye test? How do we evaluate a player? Tell me please, I’m helpless without your guidance of knowledge.
How is it petty pointing out the fallacy of using small sample size data to prove a point? Funny how Sengun fans don't like KPJ and KPJ fans don't like Sengun. It's as if the excellence of one guy is threatening the other guy.
If you watch a few rockets games, you would know that Sengun is clearly a better rebounder. It’s not even a discussion. Stats here are used as a supporting reference. What’s your objective criteria of a small sample size? I’m sure you gonna say anything ridiculous to diminish Sengun. My conclusion is that you don’t actually understand from the game of basketball…
