Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

200 years ago Trump wouldn't have lived to Feb because he would have been hung for treason.

Today this is just more drawn out Trump drama that I sadly don't expect will lead to anything.

 

The Jan. 6 Inquiry’s Not-So-Grand Finale
Criminal referrals of Trump add nothing but political complication.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-ja...tice-department-11671488663?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

excerpt:

The House Jan. 6 committee decided Monday that the best way to cap its 18 months of work would be a political gesture. It thus referred President Trump to the Justice Department for potential criminal prosecution for his efforts to reverse the 2020 election, which culminated in the Capitol riot.

What is this supposed to accomplish? A Congressional referral to the Justice Department has all the legal force of an interoffice memo. Attorney General Merrick Garland has appointed special counsel Jack Smith to investigate Mr. Trump’s schemes to stay in office. The Jan. 6 committee’s loud public intervention makes his job more complicated, given the clear partisan context.

The House Jan. 6 inquiry has done useful work gathering documents and putting witnesses under oath. The wiser course was to let the established facts speak for themselves, while releasing full transcripts of its interviews to provide a complete public record.
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more at the link

 

The committee’s action is unprecedented. No President in American history has ever before been referred by Congress for criminal prosecution.​

So many FIRSTs with President Trump!

Move over Washington, Lincoln.

Best. President. Ever.

 

Why the DOJ Might Have a Tough Time Proving Trump Committed “Insurrection”
It would take a very aggressive prosecutor to take the risk involved in pursuing it.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2022/12/january-6-committee-insurrection-charge-trump.html

 

From the Slate article...
The first three charges seem most obvious, because the evidence of them is solid, and the barriers—legal and factual—to proving them are surmountable.

Shooting 75% sounds pretty damn good to me

 

DOJ and ethics committee should let the politics develop a bit. Push for results now and the usual defenders will reflexively defend. Wait until DeSantis announces his nomination and those defenders will see an option to change horses. They don't want to go out on a limb against Trump and take the risk that DeSantis will fizzle. You may well end up with DeSantis as president, but getting a conviction on Trump and his key allies is more important.

 

My father in law is former security for the White House.

He's a Reagan Republican if there ever was one.

He told me point blank this past Thanksgiving that if this had transpired during 'his time' there would have been hundreds of dead bodies at the foot of the Capitol.

I can't say I disagree with him. Why these yahoos were treated with kid gloves still amazes me.

 

From the horse's mouth...

 

I am very grateful they were treated with kid gloves. Hundreds of bodies at the Capitol would have been a multi-faceted disaster for the country.

 

Well, I think you, @DonnyMost and Donny's relatives know that it would not have been such a scene, but like just a couple of doofuses feeling rubber bullets and all those other "patriots" would have run their asses off in the other direction. But anyway, both points well taken, (the difference, and the disastrous martyrdom of a protestor massacre).

 

Even if Jan. 6 referrals turn into criminal charges – or convictions – Trump will still be able to run in 2024 and serve as president if elected

https://theconversation.com/even-if...2024-and-serve-as-president-if-elected-196851

excerpt:

But would an indictment – or even a felony conviction – prevent a presidential candidate from running or serving in office?

The short answer is no. Here’s why:

The U.S. Constitution specifies in clear language the qualifications required to hold the office of the presidency. In Section 1, Clause 5 of Article II, it states: “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

These three requirements – natural-born citizenship, age and residency – are the only specifications set forth in the United States’ founding document.
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more at the link

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I'm guessing what would have transpired is a few warning shots would have gone off and the entire horde would have dispersed.

His point is not lost, however, that this particular throng of violent rioters were given an embarrassing and unprecedented amount of leeway.

 

If you watch the Babbit video, the moment that gun goes off, all those armchair revolutionaries suddenly decide that chicken tendies and mountain dew code red sound a lot more appealing than overthrowing the government.

My FIL was adamant that the entire thing would've been over had they fired that shot during the first perimeter breach. Hindsight I guess.

The man knows protocol though and he is also convinced that there was foul play afoot that allowed things to escalate to that degree.

If I go storm the Capitol tomorrow with a force that cannot be quelled with crowd control tactics or manpower, I would 100% expect to be shot and die the moment I disobeyed an order from a Capitol officer... and I would hope to God that no one in the country would feel sorry for me.

 

I think one of the most disgusting clips in the hearings yesterday was when Liz Cheney
asked General Flynn if he believes in the peaceful transition of power in the United States of America and his response was "The Fifth." A General with puts his loyalty to a man like Trump over his own country is a POS in my eyes.

 

It would depend on theorhetical vs. Actual and practical.

 

If Trump is convicted of any charge, does this repudiate "rogue actors" and "deep staters" for resisting, or confirms the government is lost?

What a question for the times...

 

wrong thread