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  1. Invisible Fan

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    The laptop might be real, but the story of how it got there is still incredulous today as when it first dropped.

    Who stole it...what illegality was breached? Was it tampered with? What "smoking guns" or lines of inquiry can be used by investigators dig further than it already has? Has that last angle petered out over the past couple years, and all we have are glorious revenge pron dick pics?

    Trump era stonewalling created the same predicament any minority party has with Hunter or his Dad. Both Sides...

    All his critics have now is to cast doubt or media gotchas that won't hold up to any scrutiny in isolation. Their best hope and effort is to squirrel away more October surprises for another couple of years, but loop Hunter Biden, Hunter Biden laptop laptop for the next two years?

    Desperate.

    If Hunter paintings not your jam, peruse in some limited edition NFTs from a different deadbeat loser that's more to your liking,
     
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  2. J.R.

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    1. TWITTER FILES: PART 7

    The FBI & the Hunter Biden Laptop

    How the FBI & intelligence community discredited factual information about Hunter Biden’s foreign business dealings both after and *before* The New York Post revealed the contents of his laptop on October 14, 2020

    2.In Twitter Files #6, we saw the FBI relentlessly seek to exercise influence over Twitter, including over its content, its users, and its data.

    3.In Twitter Files #7, we present evidence pointing to an organized effort by representatives of the intelligence community (IC), aimed at senior executives at news and social media companies, to discredit leaked information about Hunter Biden before and after it was published.

    4.The story begins in December 2019 when a Delaware computer store owner named John Paul (J.P.) Mac Isaac contacts the FBI about a laptop that Hunter Biden had left with him

    On Dec 9, 2019, the FBI issues a subpoena for, and takes, Hunter Biden's laptop.
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    5. By Aug 2020, Mac Isaac still had not heard back from the FBI, even though he had discovered evidence of criminal activity. And so he emails Rudy Giuliani, who was under FBI surveillance at the time. In early Oct, Giuliani gives it to
    @nypost https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/email-reveals-how-hunter-biden-introduced-ukrainian-biz-man-to-dad/

    6. Shortly before 7 pm ET on October 13, Hunter Biden’s lawyer, George Mesires, emails JP Mac Isaac.

    Hunter and Mesires had just learned from the New York Post that its story about the laptop would be published the next day.
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    7. At 9:22 pm ET (6:22 PT), FBI Special Agent Elvis Chan sends 10 documents to Twitter’s then-Head of Site Integrity, Yoel Roth, through Teleporter, a one-way communications channel from the FBI to Twitter.
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    8. The next day, October 14, 2020, The New York Post runs its explosive story revealing the business dealings of President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter. Every single fact in it was accurate.
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    9. And yet, within hours, Twitter and other social media companies censor the NY Post article, preventing it from spreading and, more importantly, undermining its credibility in the minds of many Americans.

    Why is that? What, exactly, happened?

    10. On Dec 2, @mtaibbi described the debate inside Twitter over its decision to censor a wholly accurate article.

    Since then, we have discovered new info that points to an organized effort by the intel community to influence Twitter & other platforms

    11. First, it's important to understand that Hunter Biden earned *tens of millions* of dollars in contracts with foreign businesses, including ones linked to China's government, for which Hunter offered no real work. Here's an overview by investigative journalist @peterschweizer Video

    12. And yet, during all of 2020, the FBI and other law enforcement agencies repeatedly primed Yoel Roth to dismiss reports of Hunter Biden’s laptop as a Russian “hack and leak” operation.

    This is from a sworn declaration by Roth given in December 2020.
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    13. They did the same to Facebook, according to CEO Mark Zuckerberg. “The FBI basically came to us [and] was like, ‘Hey... you should be on high alert. We thought that there was a lot of Russian propaganda in 2016 election. There's about to be some kind of dump similar to that.'" Video

    14. Were the FBI warnings of a Russian hack-and-leak operation relating to Hunter Biden based on *any* new intel?

    No, they weren't

    “Through our investigations, we did not see any similar competing intrusions to what had happened in 2016,” admitted FBI agent Elvis Chan in Nov.
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    15. Indeed, Twitter executives *repeatedly* reported very little Russian activity.

    E.g., on Sept 24, 2020, Twitter told FBI it had removed 345 “largely inactive” accounts “linked to previous coordinated Russian hacking attempts.” They “had little reach & low follower accounts."
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    16. In fact, Twitter debunked false claims by journalists of foreign influence on its platform

    "We haven’t seen any evidence to support that claim” by @oneunderscore__ @NBC News of foreign-controlled bots.

    “Our review thus far shows a small-scale domestic troll effort…”
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    17. After FBI asks about a WaPo story on alleged foreign influence in a pro-Trump tweet, Twitter's Roth says, "The article makes a lot of insinuations... but we saw no evidence that that was the case here (and in fact, a lot of strong evidence pointing in the other direction).”
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    18. It's not the first time that Twitter's Roth has pushed back against the FBI. In January 2020, Roth resisted FBI efforts to get Twitter to share data outside of the normal search warrant process.
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    19. Pressure had been growing:

    “We have seen a sustained (If uncoordinated) effort by the IC [intelligence community] to push us to share more info & change our API policies. They are probing & pushing everywhere they can (including by whispering to congressional staff).”
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    20. Time and again, FBI asks Twitter for evidence of foreign influence & Twitter responds that they aren’t finding anything worth reporting.

    “[W]e haven’t yet identified activity that we’d typically refer to you (or even flag as interesting in the foreign influence context).”
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  3. J.R.

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    21. Despite Twitter’s pushback, the FBI repeatedly requests information from Twitter that Twitter has already made clear it will not share outside of normal legal channels.
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    22. Then, in July 2020, the FBI’s Elvis Chan arranges for temporary Top Secret security clearances for Twitter executives so that the FBI can share information about threats to the upcoming elections.
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    23. On August 11, 2020, the FBI's Chan shares information with Twitter's Roth relating to the Russian hacking organization, APT28, through the FBI's secure, one-way communications channel, Teleporter.
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    24. Recently, Yoel Roth told @karaswisher that he had been primed to think about the Russian hacking group APT28 before news of the Hunter Biden laptop came out.

    When it did, Roth said, "It set off every single one of my finely tuned APT28 hack-and-leap campaign alarm bells." Video

    25. In Aug, 2020, FBI’s Chan asks Twitter: does anyone there have top secret clearance?

    When someone mentions Jim Baker, Chan responds, "I don't know how I forgot him" — an odd claim, given Chan's job is to monitor Twitter, not to mention that they worked together at the FBI.
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    26. Who is Jim Baker? He's former general counsel of the FBI (2014-18) & one of the most powerful men in the U.S. intel community.

    Baker has moved in and out of government for 30 years, serving stints at CNN, Bridgewater (a $140 billion asset management firm) and Brookings
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    27. As general counsel of the FBI, Baker played a central role in making the case internally for an investigation of Donald Trump
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    28. Baker wasn't the only senior FBI exec. involved in the Trump investigation to go to Twitter.

    Dawn Burton, the former dep. chief of staff to FBI head James Comey, who initiated the investigation of Trump, joined Twitter in 2019 as director of strategy.

    29. As of 2020, there were so many former FBI employees — "Bu alumni" — working at Twitter that they had created their own private Slack channel and a crib sheet to onboard new FBI arrivals.
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    30. Efforts continued to influence Twitter's Yoel Roth.

    In Sept 2020, Roth participated in an Aspen Institute “tabletop exercise” on a potential "Hack-and-Dump" operation relating to Hunter Biden

    The goal was to shape how the media covered it — and how social media carried it
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    31. The organizer was Vivian Schiller, the fmr CEO of NPR, fmr head of news at Twitter; fmr Gen. mgr of NY Times; fmr Chief Digital Officer of NBC News

    Attendees included Meta/FB's head of security policy and the top nat. sec. reporters for @nytimes @wapo and others
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    32. By mid-Sept, 2020, Chan & Roth had set up an encrypted messaging network so employees from FBI & Twitter could communicate.

    They also agree to create a “virtual war room” for “all the [Internet] industry plus FBI and ODNI” [Office of the Director of National Intelligence].
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    33. Then, on Sept 15, 2020 the FBI’s Laura Dehmlow, who heads up the Foreign Influence Task Force, and Elvis Chan, request to give a classified briefing for Jim Baker, without any other Twitter staff, such as Yoel Roth, present.
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    34. On Oct 14, shortly after @NYPost publishes its Hunter Biden laptop story, Roth says, “it isn’t clearly violative of our Hacked Materials Policy, nor is it clearly in violation of anything else," but adds, “this feels a lot like a somewhat subtle leak operation.”
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  4. J.R.

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    35. In response to Roth, Baker repeatedly insists that the Hunter Biden materials were either faked, hacked, or both, and a violation of Twitter policy. Baker does so over email, and in a Google doc, on October 14 and 15.
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    36. And yet it's inconceivable Baker believed the Hunter Biden emails were either fake or hacked. The @nypost had included a picture of the receipt signed by Hunter Biden, and an FBI subpoena showed that the agency had taken possession of the laptop in December 2019.
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    37. As for the FBI, it likely would have taken a few *hours* for it to confirm that the laptop had belonged to Hunter Biden. Indeed, it only took a few days for journalist @peterschweizer to prove it. Video

    38. By 10 am, Twitter execs had bought into a wild hack-and-dump story

    “The suggestion from experts - which rings true - is there was a hack that happened separately, and they loaded the hacked materials on the laptop that magically appeared at a repair shop in Delaware”
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    39. At 3:38 pm that same day, October 14, Baker arranges a phone conversation with Matthew J. Perry in the Office of the General Counsel of the FBI.
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    40. The influence operation persuaded Twitter execs that the Hunter Biden laptop did *not* come from a whistleblower.

    One linked to a Hill article, based on a WaPo article, from Oct 15, which falsely suggested that Giuliani’s leak of the laptop had something to do with Russia.
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    41. There is evidence that FBI agents have warned elected officials of foreign influence with the primary goal of leaking the information to the news media. This is a political dirty trick used to create the perception of impropriety.

    42. In 2020, the FBI gave a briefing to Senator Grassley and Johnson, claiming evidence of “Russian interference” into their investigation of Hunter Biden.

    The briefing angered the Senators, who say it was done to discredit their investigation.
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    43. “The unnecessary FBI briefing provided the Democrats and liberal media the vehicle to spread their false narrative that our work advanced Russian disinformation.”
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    44. Notably, then-FBI General Counsel Jim Baker was investigated *twice,* in 2017 and 2019, for leaking information to the news media.

    “You’re saying he’s under criminal investigation? That’s why you’re not letting him answer?” Meadows asked.

    “Yes”
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    45. In the end, the FBI's influence campaign aimed at executives at news media, Twitter, & other social media companies worked: they censored & discredited the Hunter Biden laptop story.

    By Dec. 2020, Baker and his colleagues even sent a note of thanks to the FBI for its work.
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    46. The FBI’s influence campaign may have been helped by the fact that it was paying Twitter millions of dollars for its staff time.

    “I am happy to report we have collected $3,415,323 since October 2019!” reports an associate of Jim Baker in early 2021.
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    47. And the pressure from the FBI on social media platforms continues

    In Aug 2022, Twitter execs prepared for a meeting with the FBI, whose goal was “to convince us to produce on more FBI EDRs"

    EDRs are an “emergency disclosure request,” a warrantless search.
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    In response to the Twitter Files revelation of high-level FBI agents at Twitter, @Jim_Jordan said, “I have concerns about whether the government was running a misinformation operation on We the People.”
    https://t.co/nlbBPTeDg8

    Anyone who reads the Twitter Files, regardless of their political orientation, should share those concerns.
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  5. Os Trigonum

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    Baker doesn't come out looking good after all this
     
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  6. Rashmon

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    This is great news for John McCain...
     
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    Dam dude, good job detailing everything. I for one don't care about "R" or "D" on this and at the end of the day if you break the law, you must be dealt with, I don't care what side of the aisle you're on a crook is a crook is a crook. Folks in Washington are the last group of people who need to be throwing stones, half of them are crooks who call out the other side and then get nailed for their own shenanigans
     
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    not seeing anything yet in the Washington Post or New York Times . . . I'm sure they'll each have extensive coverage of this latest installment in tomorrow's edition.

    For now we'll have to content ourselves with the New York Post reporting on the subject . . . again.

    FBI pressured Twitter, sent trove of docs hours before Post broke Hunter laptop story

    https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/fbi-r...-before-post-broke-hunter-biden-laptop-story/
     
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  9. Os Trigonum

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    still nothing in the Washington Post or NY Times, but the NY Post is covering the story

    FBI paid Twitter back more than $3M for doing its dirty work on users, email shows

    https://nypost.com/2022/12/19/fbi-reimbursed-twitter-for-doing-its-dirty-work-on-users/
     
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    This is all pretty damning stuff, and the fact that the mainstream media is largely trying to pretend it hasn't happened or is a "nothing burger" is alarming.
     
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    https://jonathanturley.org/2023/01/17/word-from-the-wise-former-intelligence-official-admits-that-they-always-knew-the-hunter-biden-emails-were-likely-genuine/

    Word from the Wise? Former Intelligence Official Admits That They Always Assumed the Hunter Biden Emails Were Genuine
    by jonathanturley
    January 17, 2023

    Douglas Wise, a former Defense Intelligence Agency deputy director and former senior CIA operations officer, is back in the news this week. In an interview with The Australian, Wise admits that he and others always knew that the emails on the Hunter Biden laptop were likely genuine. It was a remarkable admission from one of more than 50 former intelligence officials who signed a letter dismissing the Hunter Biden laptop story before the 2020 presidential election as likely “Russian disinformation.” Yet, Wise still maintains that, while true, he and the other officials were right to call it out as likely “disinformation.” Arguing that something is true, but still constitutes disinformation sounds a lot like . . . well . . . disinformation.

    The infamous letter from the former intel officials (including such Democratic figures like John Brennan, James Clapper, Leon Panetta and Jeremy Bash) was used by the media to assure the public that there was nothing to see in the scandal. It was the perfect deflection in giving a cooperative media cover to bury the story of how the Biden family engaged in influence peddling worth millions with foreign figures, including some with foreign intelligence connections.

    It worked beautifully. It was not until two years later that NPR, the New York Times, and other media outlets got around to telling the public the truth.

    Now some of the signatories are trying to rehabilitate themselves. It is not hard. Figures like Bash have been rewarded for their loyalty. Others like Brennan and Clapper have become regulars on CNN to continue to give their takes on intelligence.

    Wise, however, has tried to find some redeemable role in the letter. He told The Australian that “All of us figured that a significant portion of that content had to be real to make any Russian disinformation credible.” So the emails and photos showing criminal acts with prostitutes and thousands of emails on influence peddling was likely true, but that truth only made them more dangerous forms of Russian disinformation.

    It is that easy. True or not, the story was dangerous in detailing the corruption of the Biden family before the election. Done and done.

    It also means that, under this dubious logic, you can spike any true story that is embarrassing to the President or the party as presumptive disinformation.

    Indeed, Wise says that it was “no surprise” to learn that the emails that he helped spike were actually genuine.

    He is not alone. Washington Post columnist Thomas Rid wrote that “We must treat the Hunter Biden leaks as if they were a foreign intelligence operation — even if they probably aren’t.

    Let that sink in for a second. It does not matter if these are real emails and not Russian disinformation. They probably are real but should be treated as disinformation even though American intelligence has repeatedly rebutted that claim. It does not even matter that the computer was seized as evidence in a criminal fraud investigation or that a Biden confidant is now giving his allegations to the FBI under threat of criminal charges if he lies to investigators.

    Yet, they still wanted the media to treat the story before the election as part of “Russian overt and covert activities that undermine US national security” as a story with “all the classic earmarks of a Russian information operation.”

    Keep in mind that these “experts” literally had nothing beyond a potentially damaging story against the Bidens before an election. That was all that it took for these experts to rush out their letter.

    Wise does not address that American intelligence reached the exact opposite conclusion and found no evidence — none — of Russian involvement or some foreign disinformation conspiracy.

    Wise and the other signatories did not want to wait for any facts to support their claim. They rushed out the letter to an eagerly awaiting media to spike the story before the election. Now, they are seeking plausible deniability that they were political operatives sent on a political hit job. It is as implausible as calling a presumed true story “disinformation.”



     
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    Hunter furiously cranking one over the debt ceiling
     
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    In other news, water is wet.
     
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    unpossible!
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    Is Biden's corruption going to convince moderates to vote for fascists?

    Stay tuned!
     
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    So is there anything new going on here?

    It feels like this is just a smoke machine that gets turned on every few months to stir up the conservative Beehive for clicks.
     
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    This whole situation reminds me of Brazil. A right wing fascist party headed by Jair accusing opposition, Lula, of corruption and winning that way. It's complete empty as corruption is rampant in any political party. It's just one side is fascist.
     
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    Hunter Biden's corruption would matter to me if my other choice didn't do things like use Libsoftictok evidence to create new bills in Congress(fascism)
     
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    This is another reason why twitter sucks. I'm not reading through 47 tweets to try and figure out the point. Write a coherent article with decent formatting.
     
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