Elon vs Twitter update: Elon helped America win , Tesla stock through the roof

ClutchFans will never be replicated. It’s a Web 1.0 survivor.

 

I haven’t seen this thread recently but I’m not surprised that the ones who were wringing their hands over censorship by private companies aren’t criticizing Musk over his mercurial bans.
For me I fully agree Musk has the right to ban anyone for any reason off of Twitter. I will state again no one has right to be on Twitter. Musk though is a hypocrite who didn’t think things through I don’t see that as a free speech issue. He can run Twitter as he wants.

 

The left has been pretty consistent on the Twitter issue. Yes it is a private company. Yes Elon can ban whoever he wants for any reason. HOWEVER, he cannot do this AND call himself a free-speech absolutist and expect not to be ridiculed or taken seriously.

As usual the right focuses on one part of the statement and not the other. When the other is a qualifier. Kind of like that whole pesky "A well-regulated militia" part of the 2nd Amendment. They always miss the qualifying statement. Either due to sheer stupidity or trolling.

 

No need to. You are free to be as much of an idiot on here as you want. You prove that daily. Ever figure out if Paul Pelosi is gay?

 

no, not really like that at all. And someone making that kind of comparison probably needs to read Heller.

 

I know you are, thanks for confirming.

 

he's trolling (and misrepresented other views)

the left isn't one block just as the right isn't one

some here are adamant the private sector can do whatever it wants, and some aren't (I'm in the latter)

 

that's because Musk's mercurial bans appear to be a possibly temporary artifact of the moment--the moment being this period of turmoil as Musk tries to figure out what to do with his new toy. Musk's mercurial bans do NOT appear to be the outcome of long-thought out company policy (and collaborations with the nation's intelligence community) that results in wholesale systemic discrimination of disfavored individuals and groups for extended periods of time.

 

Like I said. The "right". Heller changed over 200 years of case law. All Right- wing Justices ignored the qualifying statement.

 

if you read Heller you'll realize they didn't ignore anything

 

Well, that is an issue in itself. And given that it's not the outcome of any company policy, there probably isn't much a paper trail involving what went into those decisions and who may have influenced them. If he does decide to systematically discriminate against members with a particular political orientation (e.g. having the "woke mind virus"), will anyone at the company push back without fearing the risk of being fired for insubordination? Given the sort of responses I've been seeing from folks on the right, or perhaps more accurately folks on the anti-left, to the recent rounds of censorship, it will just be quietly accepted with a glib "suck it, now you know how it feels" sort of excuse.

 

I have read Heller. It overturned 200 years of case law. In fact Scalia said

" But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment's ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty"

Now let's look at his argument. Firstly the concept of the militia is because the United States did not want a standing Army. Now we have a standing Army. So let's ignore that for a minute. Now "capable of military service". One cannot be over the age of 35 and join the military. So if we are using Scalia's words, no one over the age of 35 should be able to privately own a weapon, because they cannot be called into military/militia service. Anyone over the age of 35 cannot be drafted.

Anyway back to Elon. He can do whatever he wants with his company. He can have absolutely no moderation if he wants (within legal boundaries), but he cannot call himself a free-speech absolutist if he is banning legal content. That is the point. There is a qualifying statement. That is what the left is saying. Get it yet?

 

ok. whats your point?

clutchfans is a private website. clutch can ban whomever he wants. he never claimed to be a "free speech absolutist" like musk did.

 

pressed for time, more later

look at the “well educated” analogy here

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/weekinreview/13liptak.html?smid=url-share

 

Yeah. Olberman is very smart, but he is a fanatic and is unhinged.

I would love to see him and James Woods locked in an octagon and battle to the death.

 

What this all comes down to is the question that was asked about a decade ago and still hasn't been answered by society.

Is the internet, and companies like TWITTER and message boards simply privately owned businesses and have zero accountability to society beyond those of a regular business or are they more like a public utility that has responsibilities beyond many businesses.

FWIW both the democrats and republicans have been hypocrites on this issue, as they both has fluctuated depending on which ever position benefitted them.

We have seen it with Facebook, Twitter.... 4-Chan and other social media entities and the opinions have largely varied depending on what is in one's best interest politically or personally.

FWIW I do not have a strong answer.

On one hand I am a strong believer in free speech, even dumb free speech and believe that if Elon Musk or Zuckerberg want to run their social media platform one way or another, that they have that right, and if people do not like it, they will look elsewhere for a more reliable media source or platform. We have W.R Hearst operate this way.

On the other hand, I can see where there are concerns about the possible ramifications.

I suppose, what I would say listening to both sides on this topic as regards to Twitter........ I think that both sides are taking Twitter too seriously, and maybe we as a population give it too much credit. I don't think highly of Twitter as a news source or truth source - so I don't EXPECT Musk to be fair or impartial, nor do I expect him or his product to be some beacon of light for the truth..... he is a very biased businessman that is brilliant at selling ideas, he isn't and never had been a great person or even an overly fair person.

 

So crafty from the man of tin, equating criticism of Musk to criticism of Clutch. LOL.
Venn diagram of those two people looks a lot like binoculars (to Clutch's great credit).