Elon vs Twitter update: Elon helped America win , Tesla stock through the roof

Twitter should reveal which tweets got these accounts suspended in the first place. There are a lot of claims being made on both sides about what was or wasn't posted.

 

Olbermann was great on SportCenter.

Why was he banned, again?

 

Washington Post covering Twitter now at a furious pace

Musk’s suspension of journalists on Twitter spurs U.S., international condemnation
Rebuke comes ahead of tough E.U. rules on content moderation and disinformation set to take effect in 2024

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/16/musk-journalists-suspension-europe-backlash/

 

I read that he's still working for NBC but just cannot report on Musk or Twitter any longer

 

The journalists have less cause for complaining than Sweeney, IMO. The new rules were published, and journalists reporting on the story should be informed enough to be aware of what those rules were.

Sweeney's account was suspended before the rules covering his violation were even established. Banning an account, and creating a rule after the fact to justify that ban, isn't OK. Sweeney was apparently willing to comply with the new rules -- he had asked what delay would be acceptable. No response given, and the TOS is still ambiguous on that point.

 

Nevermind Musk has been trying to get Sweeney to stop giving his location for a good while now and Sweeney gave him the middle finger. Musk had been pretty patient up until someone attempted to assault his child.

I think if you were in the same position, you would have a very different position. You would be in full rage if someone came after your kid because some jackhole was doxxing his location.

 

Deep State wants its toys back.

 

Maybe. Which is why content moderation decisions for a platform as large-scale as Twitter probably shouldn’t be under the control of a single person and their emotional state.

 

Why do you trust musk narratives at face value?

If someone attempted to harm your child you wouldn't immediately go to law enforcement?

Also why do you not see the irony when you have your little guests of outrage claiming people are triggered by Elon when you are on his dick so often?

 

Providing a screenshot or a link to an account outside of Twitter is not providing real-time flight tracker info and also can be seen as a part of journalism. Twitter didn't ban real-time flight tracker accounts (essentially a link to their website where you can track almost any flight in real-time).

Getting away from Twitter-specific:

As I said before, there is a huge difference between posting publicly available information on aircraft location in the AIR vs posting the real-time location of a person on the GROUND (stalking, electronic surveillance). No one is losing their privacy involuntarily when they are in the AIR. They either have already lost it (flying commercial with strangers) or still have it (flying private). When you are flying private today, outside of your own party, with very few exceptions, there is no one close enough to you that can bother you or take your photo. That's very different when you are on the ground.

The real identity of a member here remains private until they are hacked, this site is hacked, or they offer up their own real identity. That's not using public information, but usually through an illegal act.

On your point on privacy / doxing. IMO --- Well-known public figures by career or choice (public officials, journalists, loudmouth CEOs, etc.. ), are already well known to the public and it's relatively easy to get their home addresses (note again this is on the GROUND) as those are usually public info. But I still think social media shouldn't allow those to be published on their platform. The privacy of private individuals who are not automatically well-known individuals by career and by choice should be more protected and any information on their home or workplace or other personal information that they didn't choose to share with the public should be banned from social media.

 

He has been complaining about Sweeney for quite awhile now and has reached out to him. This isn't a narrative.

You do not have an original thought in your head. Every opinion of yours is given to you by someone else.

 

Complaining means nothing if Sweeney’s tweets are permitted by the rules. Musk even acknowledged that he is allowing it per his own commitments to free speech!

The proper course of action was to create the new rule with clear guidelines, which Musk was entitled to do, and if he refuses to comply then suspend his account. Not that complicated.

 

https://mastodon.social/@rubenbolling/109524051374419615

Things just seem so crazy today.

I mean, can you imagine say in the 1930s if the richest automobile executive in America was also a media owner who used his platform to encourage anti-Semitism and allied himself with a foreign dictator waging a territory-expansion war in Europe?​

 

I believe the offending posts (at least for some of the banned accounts) linked specifically to a page that was tracking Musk’s jet. Not a generic flight tracking page.

I don’t fully buy the “we’re just reporting the news” excuse from journalists who are using Twitter. If they want to use Twitter, the rules should apply to them just as to anyone else.

I don’t see it. If someone knows their location in the air and when and where the flight will be landing, then they also have the ability to track where a person is going to be on the ground at a particular point in time.

The account is advertised as “Elon’s Jet”. There is a reasonably high probability that Musk, or a person close to Musk, is a passenger on that jet. And someone with malicious intent who is using this tracker would be expecting this.

Agreed.

 

Complaining about him for years and believing his story about his kid being threatened because of a result of that kid are two entirely seperate things.


Elon did not want Sweeny to keep on posting the information not because of fear of privacy being violated. He well knows that anyone deranged enough to actually go out of their way to stalk would use the publicly available information.

He wanted Sweeny to stop because Sweeny was being a "woke activist" as the terminally online bigots say and making a point about the amount of times he burns jet fuel which was bad press for Elon given his claims of wanting to save the planet from climate change

His kid was allegedly stalked and threatened and he didn't go to the cops. Ya, bs.

Very vapid statement that has the easiest "no, but you" retort.

 

Sweeney could change his tracker to show delayed information — by a few days, say. I suppose he has the technological know-how to do that. He could still accomplish the same goal, and not give Musk this reason to ban or sue him.

 

I doubt any of the information he posted could cause privacy violations for Musk given that info is public.


But my main point of contention here isn't Musk's right to ban the man from the platform. He owns it. Of course he can. My main point is that Musk isn't banning him out of a concern his family is in danger but rather it was just bad press for him because each tweet had jet fuel burned and carbon emissions. Elon doesn't need an excuse to ban him besides PR reasons. He can't be seen as banning him for his advocate on climate and exposing the emissions Elon expends on flights.

Also he's fabricating the story of his kid being stalked and threatened