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Elon vs Twitter update: Elon helped America win , Tesla stock through the roof

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tinman, Mar 26, 2022.

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Who is for democracy?

  1. Elon

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    57.6%
  2. Twitter

    9 vote(s)
    15.3%
  3. Chinese democracy by Guns N Roses

    16 vote(s)
    27.1%
  1. AroundTheWorld

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    I agree with her.
     
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  3. durvasa

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    It's a gray area what counts as "reporting" though. If a journalist has an account on Twitter, and they are just "reporting" something with a tweet but in doing so they are posting content or linking to content in violation of Twitter's TOS -- how should that be handled? Does Twitter create a special category for journalists and what they're allowed to tweet out? I thought the whole idea with the new regime was to not give journalists that special status (a position I kind of agree with).
     
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  4. tinman

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    Yes, I agree with you.

    Let's face it, no matter what Elon does or would have done, they will keep attacking him relentlessly, and would try to smear him. He is one of their enemies. Many of these "journalists" are really political activists. I haven't followed Olbermann that much since he was a sports reporter a long time ago, but the bits I have seen made him look very unhinged and fanatical.
     
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  6. Os Trigonum

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    you're not wrong
     
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    What happened with Jay Bhattacharya? I know he was a critic of COVID-19 lockdowns and co-authored the Great Barrington Declaration. When was his account flagged for limited visibility by Twitter and what specifically prompted it?

    Found this:

     
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    I believe he was even banned for some time. Fauci and Collins actively conspired to get him de-platformed. Some of that is already out in the public due to a freedom of information request, but I'm sure that more will come as part of the Twitter files.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...klisted-Twitter-opposing-COVID-lockdowns.html
     
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    1. THREAD: The Twitter Files, Part Six
    TWITTER, THE FBI SUBSIDIARY

    2. The #TwitterFiles are revealing more every day about how the government collects, analyzes, and flags your social media content.

    3. Twitter’s contact with the FBI was constant and pervasive, as if it were a subsidiary.

    4. Between January 2020 and November 2022, there were over 150 emails between the FBI and former Twitter Trust and Safety chief Yoel Roth.

    5. Some are mundane, like San Francisco agent Elvis Chan wishing Roth a Happy New Year along with a reminder to attend “our quarterly call next week.” Others are requests for information into Twitter users related to active investigations.

    6. But a surprisingly high number are requests by the FBI for Twitter to take action on election misinformation, even involving joke tweets from low-follower accounts.

    7. The FBI’s social media-focused task force, known as FTIF, created in the wake of the 2016 election, swelled to 80 agents and corresponded with Twitter to identify alleged foreign influence and election tampering of all kinds.

    8. Federal intelligence and law enforcement reach into Twitter included the Department of Homeland Security, which partnered with security contractors and think tanks to pressure Twitter to moderate content.

    9. It’s no secret the government analyzes bulk data for all sorts of purposes, everything from tracking terror suspects to making economic forecasts.

    10. The #TwitterFiles show something new: agencies like the FBI and DHS regularly sending social media content to Twitter through multiple entry points, pre-flagged for moderation.

    11. What stands out is the sheer quantity of reports from the government. Some are aggregated from public hotlines:
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    12.An unanswered question: do agencies like FBI and DHS do in-house flagging work themselves, or farm it out? “You have to prove to me that inside the ****ing government you can do any kind of massive data or AI search,” says one former intelligence officer.

    “HELLO TWITTER CONTACTS”: The master-canine quality of the FBI’s relationship to Twitter comes through in this November 2022 email, in which “FBI San Francisco is notifying you” it wants action on four accounts:
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    14.Twitter personnel in that case went on to look for reasons to suspend all four accounts, including @fromma, whose tweets are almost all jokes (see sample below), including his “civic misinformation” of Nov. 8:
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    15. Just to show the FBI can be hyper-intrusive in both directions, they also asked Twitter to review a blue-leaning account for a different joke, except here it was even more obvious that @clairefosterPHD, who kids a lot, was kidding:
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    16. “Anyone who cannot discern obvious satire from reality has no place making decisions for others or working for the feds,” said @ClaireFosterPHD, when told about the flagging.

    17.Of the six accounts mentioned in the previous two emails, all but two -@ClaireFosterPHD and @FromMa– were suspended.

    18.In an internal email from November 5, 2022, the FBI’s National Election Command Post, which compiles and sends on complaints, sent the SF field office a long list of accounts that “may warrant additional action”:
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    19.Agent Chan passed the list on to his "Twitter folks":
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    20. Twitter then replied with its list of actions taken. Note mercy shown to actor Billy Baldwin:
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    21.Many of the above accounts were satirical in nature, nearly all (with the exceptions of Baldwin and @RSBNetwork) were relatively low engagement, and some were suspended, most with a generic, “Thanks, Twitter” letter:
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    22.When told of the FBI flagging, @Lexitollah replied: “My thoughts initially include 1. Seems like prima facie 1A violation 2. Holy cow, me, an account with the reach of an amoeba 3. What else are they looking at?”

    23.“I can't believe the FBI is policing jokes on Twitter. That's crazy,” said @Tiberius444.

    24.In a letter to former Deputy General Counsel (and former top FBI lawyer) Jim Baker on Sep. 16, 2022, legal exec Stacia Cardille outlines results from her “soon to be weekly” meeting with DHS, DOJ, FBI, and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence:
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    25.The Twitter exec writes she explicitly asked if there were “impediments” to the sharing of classified information “with industry.” The answer? “FBI was adamant no impediments to sharing exist.”

    26. This passage underscores the unique one-big-happy-family vibe between Twitter and the FBI. With what other firm would the FBI blithely agree to “no impediments” to classified information?

    27. At the bottom of that letter, she lists a series of “escalations” apparently raised at the meeting, which were already “handled.” https://t.co/dtvy82pfce

    28. About one, she writes: “Flagged a specific Tweet on Illinois use of modems to transmit election results in possible violation of the civic integrity policy (except they do use that tech in limited circumstances).”

    29.Another internal letter from January, 2021 shows Twitter execs processing an FBI list of “possible violative content” tweets:
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    30.Here, too, most tweets contained the same, “Get out there and vote Wednesday!” trope and had low engagement. This is what the FBI spends its time on:
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    31. In this March, 2021 email, an FBI liaison thanks a senior Twitter exec for the chance to speak to “you and the team,” then delivers a packet of “products”:
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    32.The executive circulates the “products,” which are really DHS bulletins stressing the need for greater collaboration between law enforcement and “private sector partners.”
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    33.The ubiquity of the 2016 Russian interference story as stated pretext for building out the censorship machine can’t be overstated. It’s analogous to how 9/11 inspired the expansion of the security state.
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    34.While the DHS in its “products” pans “permissive” social media for offering “operational advantages” to Russians, it also explains that the “Domestic Violent Extremist Threat” requires addressing “information gaps”:
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    35.FBI in one case sent over so many “possible violative content” reports, Twitter personnel congratulated each other in Slack for the “monumental undertaking” of reviewing them:
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    36.There were multiple points of entry into Twitter for government-flagged reports. This letter from Agent Chan to Roth references Teleporter, a platform through which Twitter could receive reports from the FBI:
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    37.Reports also came from different agencies. Here, an employee recommends “bouncing” content based on evidence from “DHS etc”:
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    38.State governments also flagged content.

    39.Twitter for instance received reports via the Partner Support Portal, an outlet created by the Center for Internet Security, a partner organization to the DHS.

    40.“WHY WAS NO ACTION TAKEN?” Below, Twitter execs – receiving an alert from California officials, by way of “our partner support portal” – debate whether to act on a Trump tweet:
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    41.Here, a video was reported by the Election Integrity Project (EIP) at Stanford, apparently on the strength of information from the Center for Internet Security (CIS):
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    42.If that’s confusing, it’s because the CIS is a DHS contractor, describes itself as “partners” with the Cyber and Internet Security Agency (CISA) at the DHS:
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    43.The EIP is one of a series of government-affiliated think tanks that mass-review content, a list that also includes the Atlantic Council’s Digital Forensics Research Laboratory, and the University of Washington’s Center for Informed Policy.

    44.The takeaway: what most people think of as the “deep state” is really a tangled collaboration of state agencies, private contractors, and (sometimes state-funded) NGOs. The lines become so blurred as to be meaningless.

    45. Twitter Files researchers are moving into a variety of new areas now. Watch @BariWeiss, @ShellenbergerMD, and this space for more, soon.
     
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    thanks again @J.R., these are helpful as always
     
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    Is it troubling that the FBI had this channel of communication to Twitter during the election? Yes.

    But from what I'm seeing there, the motivation really does seem to be reducing election misinformation. Some may consider the obvious jokes to be a major overreach for them to be flagging, and I get why one might think that, but even a joke tweet can (and often is) misconstrued by people of varying levels of intelligence.
     
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    honestly I don't think the FBI should have been involved in doing this at all. I'm willing to accept the risks of disinformation without the help of the FBI "looking out for my best interest."
     
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    Is this specifically about the FBI being involved, or you don't think any government agency has any place in pointing out election-related misinformation being disseminated online?
     
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    Some people fail to understand that the Misinformation Police will be more partisan than any political subject. And people will rage when their Misinformation Police get replaced with the new regime of Misinformation Police that is directly opposed to their views.
     
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    hard to imagine a "government agency pointing out election-related misinformation being disseminated online." Sounds like a Ministry of Truth to me

    or Bureau of Government-Approved Truth™. . . like "the laptop is Russian disinformation."
     
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    So Trump's FBI was telling Twitter about accounts that may have been violating Twitter's ToS and left it up to Twitter to enforce their ToS. Got it.
     
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    So, what steps should Twitter take to reduce election-related misinformation from being disseminated like wildfire on its platform, if any? Understood that you think government support for that effort should neither be given or accepted.
     

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