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[ABC] AOC climate change film flops, makes roughly $80 per theatre on opening weekend

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  1. SamFisher

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    I thought this bit about Dave Chappelle was appropriate



    I’m like a lot of people in that I watch a latter-day Chappelle special in the naive hope that I’ll get an unfettered hour of his old genius without him half-assedly turning his set into a free speech rally for assholes. Outside of 8:46, which is some of the best standup I’ve heard from Chappelle or any other comedian, my hopes are always dashed. The clip you see above is representative of what we almost always get instead. Chappelle comes out, tells the audience, “Hey man, remember my old Comedy Central show?” and then everyone claps, and then he goes, “Remember when all the gays were mad at me? Well I blame Y’ALL for that.” And then I roll my eyes so forcefully that my optic nerves detach. I watched Chappelle’s last Netflix special and it wasn’t even a standup special. It was him receiving a ******* award from his ****ing high school, and it opens with this epigram, courtesy of Duke Ellington:

    “Art is dangerous. It is one of the attractions: When it ceases to be dangerous you don’t want it.”

    Now that’s a great quote, and a true one. But it loses its shine when Dave Chappelle uses it as his surreptitious defense for gleefully screaming “F****T” at the top of his lungs in one of his earlier Netflix specials. That’s the art that this fossil finds so dangerous, and Chappelle steadfastly refuses to excise this counterfeit reverse outrage from his bit in favor of legitimately good material. He’s ****ing hopeless now. Washed up. A hack. Watching Chappelle live in 2022 is like waiting for your uncle to bring up AOC at Christmas dinner. You know it’s coming, you’re just hoping he does it when you’re taking a piss.​
     
  2. dobro1229

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    Given that nobody here knew it was coming out, or was being created in the first place, I would say the marketing was next to nothing and relied on social media from AOC mostly. Then there is the film itself which seems to be mostly interviews, excerpts from CSPAN and clips from events. Not necessarily a big budget Avatar 5 Summer blockbuster.

    So I doubt they care about movie theaters earnings honestly and probably only factored in streaming which is where something like this would have a home. It looks like something that would be produced by CNN for a Friday night special.. and that’s not really a put down because often their specials are quite good, but many of us have lives so we don’t spend our weekends watching political documentaries.

    So that’s to say the burn the OP is looking for here is not what he think it is. The fact that a doc like this even made it into the theaters is a hallmark achievement… or it says a lot about how few films are being released at the moment. Usually this time of year we are flooded with amazing movies because of the Oscar push. The film industry really must be in a dire state.

    I like AOC, and would watch a doc about her probably… but I don’t really need to spend 2 hours of my life watching CSPAN replays on the Green New Deal. In the end Biden delivered by doing DC the Biden Classic DC making way and he was the one strong arming Joe Manchin and Kirsten Sinema… not AOC. I don’t think Biden cares much about the activists coming after him… I think he actually just cares enough himself to get a bill done which he did. The activists were important but the science is really what spoke volumes.
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    how do you know what I think?
     
  4. Os Trigonum

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    Judy Curry's most recent post refers to the "hubris" of thinking that humans can "control" the climate:

    The hubris of thinking that we can control atmospheric CO2 content, not to mention the actual climate itself.


    from:

    Misperception and amplification of climate risk

    https://judithcurry.com/2022/12/13/misperception-and-amplification-of-climate-risk/

    excerpt:

    The problem here is not not the climate change that has already happened, but rather “pre-traumatic stress syndrome” (see these previous posts). Climate change pre-traumatic stress response is triggered by the continuing barrage in the media of extreme weather events that are worsened by “climate change,” the apocalyptic projections of future warming from unrealistic emissions scenario, and dystopian warnings of impacts from irresponsible politicians and leading journalists.

    The net effect of all this apocalyptic rhetoric, which effectively exploits how humans misperceive risk, is to increase neurotic worrying in many people (particularly children), which can indeed make people more vulnerable to negative stress reactions. [LINK]

    Congratulations to all the proselytizers of climate doom, you have finally demonstrated an actual adverse impact of climate change that is actually caused by humans – psychological distress. This psychological distress is directly caused by you: the mistaken, irrational, politically motivated people that have created effective propaganda that is creating negative stress reactions particularly among children who have yet to develop a clear sense of self and lack a context for being able to filter the BS.

    In closing I would like to return to #3 – whether climate risk is controllable or uncontrollable. The hubris of thinking that we can control atmospheric CO2 content, not to mention the actual climate itself. Using the psychological injuries of children as the rationale, the objectives of the lawsuits being filed by Our Children’s Trust are to obtain a declaration of the federal (and state) government’s fiduciary role in preserving the atmosphere and an injunction of its actions which contravene that role. An implicit assumption of these claims is that governments can actually control the emissions into the atmosphere, as well as control the earth’s climate. Well, dream on. A key element of the psychological injuries according to the recent literature on this is their frustrations and feeling of abandonment that politicians and government are not paying attention to their concerns about the climate. This concern arises from the explicitly political messaging that young people are exposed to about climate change.
    more at the link
     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    This article says absolutely nothing - no facts or data - it's just ramblings of an individual who played the role of contrarian to get her 15 minutes of fame that has now flamed out.

    Anyone can cry out that "it's uncertain" and "we just don't know" for a decade plus but in 2022 the data doesn't fit that narrative. Thus she is reduced to writing this sort of stuff. I can't believe people still readh this stuff. She's now basically saying its all mass hysteria lol. Guess she got her PhD of neuroscience as well.
     
  6. Os Trigonum

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    okay then
     
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    You can debate policy all you want. You can criticize liberals for using planes or driving Jeeps, or eating beef. That's totally legit.

    But for me, the whole thing loses credibility when people start trying to muddle reality. Whatever you want to BELIEVE, the REALITY is that mankind is raising CO2, is the PRIMARY driver of the CO2 increase, and yes, that CO2 increase is DRAMATICALLY changing our climate.

    This is FACT. It's not stubbornness, arrogance, or bad science. We've long crossed the point of 5 sigma on this one - it's as factual as gravity at this point.
     
  8. Os Trigonum

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    you and I aren't talking about the same topic
     
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    I don't get it then. If we caused this mess, certainly we have the capacity to start cleaning it up.
     
  10. Os Trigonum

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    you're still not talking about the same topic. the link to Curry addressed (a) climate fear among young people and (b) the idea of humans' "controlling" climate, which is what you originally had mentioned and I disagreed with.

    Humans "causing this mess" is topic (c) and "the capacity to start cleaning it up" is (d)
     
  11. Os Trigonum

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    if you would like to talk about (c), "causing this mess," then fine. I will start by saying that the term "mess" is question-begging and tendentious. A value-laden descriptor. It is debatable whether the human impact on climate is a "mess" or a "non-mess" (or something else).
     
  12. Os Trigonum

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    if you would like to talk about (d), "cleaning it up," then fine. But you start this time. ;)
     
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    I'd think B relates directly to C & D, no?

    As for A...I don't know why young people are having all this fear. Maybe because they realize they are inheriting a far less stable world and stability is something older generations took for granted. No, no one knows the future for sure, but to think that well things can't get worse because in the past people who said it would were wrong isn't exactly the best reasoning.

    I don't think the answer is to guilt people for taking flights or eating meat or driving a Jeep. Clearly personal lifestyle choices aren't going to impact the coming crisis. I'm not a believer in collective shared sacrifice because I know humans just don't work that way at a mass scale.

    What is the line between fear mongering and building legitimate awareness of a major problem? I don't know, but it seems to me that the focus shouldn't be on that but rather what are the steps we can take to make sure fears never become realized on both ends. We don't want to live in a world of instability caused by climate change and we don't want to live in a world that is economically stunted by draconian policy.
     
  15. Os Trigonum

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    sure--obviously they're all related . . . but the original point was much more limited.

    I think the fear-mongering is constant and relentless. You have otherwise mature adults saying they're not even going to have children because of their concern over climate change. It's not really healthy. It sells papers and motivates web site hits, but it's not healthy in the long run.

    if you truly believe that the world is going to hell in a hand basket, then why not? the ends justify the means. This is why Christian (and other) zealots have always been so eager to change other peoples' behaviors for the others' own sakes: their very salvation is at stake.

    arguably fear-mongering is never justified

     
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    If I spammed the GARM with a dozen threads about how I think TyTy should be the starting PG I think it would be safe to assume that I think KPJ and Nix aren’t great starting point guards.

    You aren’t a very complicated enigma dude.
     
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    in that case you would be making a normative argument: the key word there is "should"

    the more you know.gif
     
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    I don't think raising awareness about what is happening is fear-mongering. People who say they aren't having children because of the climate crisis are lying. I know a lot of these people. They just don't want to have kids and it's a great rationalization. Saying things that are not true is fear mongering. But the potential impacts from climate change are very real.

    Because we created a problem collectively, and we have to solve this problem collectively. Individual action is not going to solve it. Nor it trying to impose restrictions on people in democratically elected (or even authoritarian) gov'ts. It doesn't work as a practical solution. Rationale people understand this. If you don't listen to the crazies on either side, you'll see a rational approach. That's what is needed. That's what is being advocated for.

    An alarm should be raised. But the reaction to that alarm isn't to get depressed and feel the future isn't worth living. The alarm should be to find solution to the problems we face. Why do we need to run from challenges because one side fears it will cost them their way of life and another side fears there is no hope no matter what????

    We've got to find a way to lower the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. It's a technological problem that will require smart policy. Will there need to be some sacrifice? Perhaps, but not to the level people think if we address the problem and take action sooner than later. One way or the other the impacts of this is going to be felt. But if we want to enjoy our way of life amongst a planet driving towards 10 billion people or whatever it is, we have to start addressing the problem versus debating whether or not it's giving us depression.
     
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    I don't disagree with most of this. I will say that "raising awareness about what is happening" is at least potentially question-begging and tendentious simply because the descriptions of "what is happening" are so debatable, and so many description of "what is happening" in the past have turned out to be inaccurate or just plain wrong. Climate scientists I work with detest "climate communications experts" and "science by press release" because so much of what gets publicized is simply wrong--sensationalized and wrong. But that's how modern academia works.
     
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    "Mess" is overloaded in the sense that the proof in our over-pollution of global eco systems extends beyond the dumping of greenhouse gases.

    So you could categorize the "mess" into three buckets greenhouse gas emissions, rapid expansion of people into previously pristine biomes, and the pollution/waste caused by urban/industrial/agricultural development.

    Compartmentalizing one of the three is standard for this type of debate but all three are individually complex and interconnected.

    "Solving climate change" by returning to climate patterns seen decades ago won't necessarily stem the decades long species collapse happening before our eyes, but it sure as hell will reduce the rate it's happening
     

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