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Forcing children to wear a mask is child abuse. The Left failed children.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AroundTheWorld, Jan 31, 2022.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    I am very sorry to hear that. very sorry. And I hope she gets better quickly with a full recovery
     
  2. AroundTheWorld

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    Sorry to hear, but nobody promoted actively exposing others - just making the point that acquiring natural immunity over time is necessary. And of course, best wishes for a full recovery.
     
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    In response to me saying this:

    You said this:

    I cannot interpret that as anything other than a laissez faire, no precautions attitude about the whole situation.

    Perhaps you were only dismissing the idea of masking (children?) in order to prevent the spread of these diseases.

    Even still, I find that incredibly wrongheaded and irresponsible.

    You don't "go about your life as usual" when you are sick, are in proximity to those who are sick, or in an otherwise elevated risk environment.

    Kids should practice proper hygiene and be responsible about spreading germs, just as any adult should.

    I let my kid play in the mud, not flop around in sewage (and certainly not throw other people into said sewage).
     
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    Infant and childhood mortality have plummeted under modern medicine…

    No one is saying wrap your child in bubble…. But it seems like some on here would snicker and point if your child was wearing a mask during flu season.
     
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    I wasn't saying you should go out if you are sick.

    I was saying just live your life if you are not sick.

    Any masking, even if it had an effect (which it mostly doesn't, and I believe you said you agreed with that) would only delay the natural course of acquiring immunity at the time nature would let it happen, and you might get it worse later.
     
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    You can acquire immunity through a vaccination.

    Basically you are arguing against preventative health services.
     
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    Depends on the condition. You are certainly right for many diseases. And I am totally in favour of doing that (just took my daughter to get her Hep B shot recently). But there are some (like RSV, HIV, Lassa, MERS, Lyme, Zika, etc.) where you cannot acquire immunity through a vaccination. You could now live your life in fear of these and mask all the time/never go out. Or you could just get the recommended vaccinations for your child and yourself and let your child live its life. I recommend the latter.

    Not at all. It's actually the opposite. I would recommend all the properly tested and recommended vaccines for your children, so that they can then go on and live their lives without fear, and just be children (and, in some cases, acquire natural immunity to some conditions).
     
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    Taking precautions isn't living in fear, it's just taking precautions and following the recommendations instead of being hyperbolic.

    Which vaccines aren't properly tested and recommended that are being given?

    I also agree in following the recommendation instead of screeching about child abuse.
     
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    Read the articles. They are garbage. There literally isn't one article that I saw that was based on sound science. Most were hit pieces.

    One article published by Dr Margarite Griesz-Brisson had a search warning that she is a vaccine denier and promotes the falsehood that vaccines cause autism. You stated you had your kid vaccinated so...

    Another article had an editor's note prepended:
    "Due to multiple limitations, this study cannot demonstrate a causal relationship between mask wearing and the reported adverse effects in children. Most of the respondents were parents, and the survey was distributed preferentially in social media forums that, according to the authors, “criticize the government’s corona protection measures in principle”. The limitations of the study include sampling bias, reporting bias, and confounding bias as well as lack of a control group."


    Just stop. Now my mind is made up. Children wearing masks is NOT child abuse. I agree it's probably not all that effective, but it's clearly not abuse.
     
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    "Now" my mind is made up - lol. I re-read the thread. You have been a mask fetishist all along, for whatever obscure reason.
     
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    I was pro-mask at the time because I was taking a conservative approach. What is the risk/benefit of having kids wear masks? Does the benefit of wearing a mask outweigh the risk of not wearing a mask? I determined there is low risk despite that the benefits seem to be dubious.

    Your whole premise is the risk is indeed higher than advertised. I was curious if I miscalculated. It seems I didn't.

    You provided no credible evidence of "child abuse".
     
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    Forcing me to wear shoes is child abuse. Otoh, me not wearing shoes is child abuse for other people.
     
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    @krosfyah is part of roughly the other half of people (if he has kids). That's fine. People have different opinions.

    All I care about is that something that about half of all parents think is harmful to their children doesn't get MANDATED anymore.

    Fortunately, it's no longer mandated here.

    And nobody does it anymore where our children go to school. Even the one or two kids who still masked at the beginning of the school year have stopped by now.
     
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    it's going to take years for child psychologists to study and understand the impact of two years' worth of mask wearing on children. We already know that two years of school closures and zoom classes etc has really really hurt an entire cohort of school children--and those impacts are going to carry forward for who-knows-how-long. I am unlikely to see the current crop of elementary-aged students in ten years, but I am going to be seeing 2020's and 2021's high schoolers any day now. We'll see how that goes.
     
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    Ya 40% of parents probably consume the same type of media you and ATW do...

    It's like the whole shtick of GOP polticians providing justification for new legislation on voting regulations because "we need to restore trust in our voting system" when the ones who eroded the trust we're those same GOP polticians spamming rhetoric about voter fraud.

    And please forgive me for not buying into the concern trolling you have for early childhood development. Have you ever expressed concern for the thousands of young children who often are baby sat by their 12 year old older sibling that results in them skipping school because their mother has to work 50 hours to have a sustainable lifestyle to raise those two kids. Had any intellectual curiosity to know the psychological trauma that brings? I don't think so.

    This type of stuff never bothers you so forgive me if I don't think masks is the breaking point for you to suddenly care.
     
  20. Os Trigonum

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    yeah, pretty sure Harvard is a far-right wacko organization
     
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