Even if he's starting, it's a role .. The way people talking in this thread, Turner will be an offensive beast thats going to dominate ... His value on this team wouldn't be his scoring.. His career averages on shitty Indiana teams over the years , tells me he ain't that kinda dude. I will support him 100% if he's here tho.. And he went to UT, so he aight with me!
Kyle Lowry is another example of someone who needed to mature. He needed to go to another team to understand that. What if Green doesn't have chemistry with another PG? Lol he currently doesn't have chemistry with KPj. No one outside of Bruno has any chemistry with KPj. Learn to stop pointing at PPG/APG like they matter in this context. They don't. Christian Wood got stats too. How's he doing? Mavs fans are having buyers remorse already. Sengun and Green have a great chemistry because that's what good players do. Dantoni said it before. There's no secret to it. You stick great players together and they figure it out. We need someone great to help out Jabari and Jalen. KPj isn't that. He's just not that talented. He doesn't do a single thing at an elite level. Not one. His best ability is his catch and shoot which he can't even do because he's always pounding the ball into the ground. Stop trying to make KPj a thing. I wish he was better. He's not. It's been enough time.
Very good thoughts but I disagree. You said that he doesn't do one thing great but you came back and said he's very good at catch and shooting. So to me, that's one thing that he does great, correct? I'm not saying he will develop into an All-Star, I'm just saying he and Jalen are both young and they need TIME TO DEVELOP. From the beginning of the season until now, I think we can all see the progress.
Jalen/Alp/Jabari need time to develop. KPJ can get in where he fits in with that group. Let KPJ play off ball and attack when things break down. Run offense through Jalen and Alp. Really simple
Very good thoughts but I disagree. You said that he doesn't do one thing great but you came back and said he's very good at catch and shooting. So to me, that's one thing that he does great, correct? I'm not saying he will develop into an All-Star, I'm just saying he and Jalen are both young and they need TIME TO DEVELOP. From the beginning of the season until now, I think we can all see the progress. And to have two 6'6 guards that can shoot, penetrate and playmake is awesome moving forward. I just think we need to solidify the center position and the other forward spot opposite Jabari.
I said "elite". Everyone in the NBA can do things great. And if you tell me that KPjs role will be catch and shooter off the bench while running the offense in a limited role then sign me the hell up for that. He absolutely works like that. But right now, as a floor general and someone that needs to set up Jabari....he fails. Badly. If you squint hard enough you can see him trying to develop something with Sengun. I'm just tired of squinting. It hasn't taken Jalen near that long to develop chemistry with players like KJ/Sengun. Amen Thompson or Scoot Henderson are what this team needs. Probably even more than Wemby. Actually think Amen is tailor made for what this team needs right now. Just everything KPj isn't.
I still think we should play Sengun at the PF position because he's not a lob threat or rim protector. If Silas is experimenting with lineups, why not try this season a lineup of KPJ, Green, Smith, Sengun, and Bruno. Over the offseason we can upgrade the center position hopefully with Wemby or with a free agent signing.
You mention every player in the league does something great, what does Kevon Looney do that's great? JaMicheal Green? Aaron Gordon? Noah Vonleh? These are all players who are in rotations on Playoff caliber teams. Everyone does not have a great skill on a select few are elite. And as great as Steph Curry is, he had turnover problems early on as well. He avg. 6.3 turnovers per game and recently as much as 4.3 per game. I think a lot of the time, we are more concerned about how things look, rather than the end result. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...kQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3xw6TUkEWgoHBAp97OFNXA
Didn't every center look All-NBA great against the Rockets last year? Turner is an OK NBA guy, but he's a piece and at this point in the rebuild, I'm not content to fill in pieces when we're still looking for and developing stars. I also don't like giving up stuff or limiting future options on a guy like Turner. Let's be patient, see how the season goes, see who continues to improve, see who we draft, and see if we get a new coach.
Absolutely everyone in the NBA currently getting minutes does something "great". There's a difference between "great" and "elite". Kevon Looney is great at taking up space and being a defensive big. Similar to Garuba. Is he elite at it? No. Is he going to be the defensive anchor of a championship team? No. That's Draymond. Steph never averaged 6.3 turnover per game, ever. His peak was 3.8 which matches what KPj currently averages. He also was a shooting prodigy early on and got drafted 7th. Porter was basically a second rounder. We're concerned with how things look as well as the end result. There are way too many games where KPj makes poor decisions or gets tunnel vision to outweigh the games where he doesn't. At the end of the game, he looks for his shot first and foremost. Jalen ended up on Shaqtin a Fool because he tried to get the ball to his team mate. That's the type of player he is. KPj in the last game, waved Jabari to run into a set where he decided to go 1v5 for a turnover. I'll put it bluntly: do you really think KPj has the ability to develop into a starter on a championship level team? Is that what you see in him? I see championship level starter in 3 current Rockets: Jalen Green, Jabari Smith and Tari Eason. Sengun I'm still not sold on. I like him a lot but he just has too many physical limitations along with a tendency to gamble on defense and offense. Tari gambles too but he has the physical attributes to match.
Steph early on was a good shooting, injury prone, turnover machine. (CLICK ON THE ARTICLE..https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...kQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3xw6TUkEWgoHBAp97OFNXA) And to better answer your question of why I think KPJ can start on a NBA Championship team? He's 22yrs old, avg 18/5/5 all while playing a new position. Just as Steph improved to where he's at today, give other players time too.
The problem is that we are going to have a ton of money available this summer, and if we end up a bottom 5 team again, no player of significance is going to sign here. Even if Turner is just a piece, you need valuable pieces on your team if you’re going to be able to trade for a star. The Rockets need to start grabbing those pieces if they are available as soon as this trade deadline.
Ya never know. To me, the only way you likely would have him starting on the current Rockets team and winning a championship is with Eason/Jabari not needing the ball in their hands. Green. and a center as good as Embid/Jokic Giannas at PF if Jabari was able to play center/ Victor W being the player he is hyped to be. Someone on a dominant level like that. ALL OF THAT along with KPJ doing a U turn on distributing the ball and understanding he should be around 4th in line on shots any given night. I think the odds are he could be an excellent 6-7th man off the bench. I hope he accepts that role if that ends up being overall in the best interest of the team. I think he could absolutely excel at it. Starting on a team with the best record in the NBA with the role of getting others involved at a level with a win rate like that. i dunno
The Steph comparison is a fallacy. Looking at both players’ age 22 season (the 2nd year playing PG in the NBA for both), while many of the totals are similar, the efficiency is not even close. Steph was already a superior shooter. He was far better that year in 2pt%, 3pt% and FT% than KPJ is. He hasn’t really improved in the areas where he is better than KPJ. What changed was the coaching, his teammates and (most importantly) his usage. Being great in those areas allowed the team to significantly increase his volume. We do not need more volume from KPJ.
I think most people are against KPJ moving forward because of personal reasons, not basketball reasons. A 22yr old who's avg 18/5/5 are good numbers and what further puzzles me, are those same people already made up their minds that he's a complete player and has no room to improve at 22yrs old. Steph and KPJ are two different players, their games are totally different. I only used Steph to show how much he use to turn the ball over and that as a PG, it takes time to improve. Obviously, Steph has and a player I think compares favorably to KPJ, Chauncey Billups, improved too. BTW, as a shooter, Steph was efficient but as a PG in general, not so much. His turnovers were higher than his assist.
Turner is not a Sengun replacement, he is more of a Fernando replacement. Turner is the ideal fit alongside Jabari and Green, as well as whichever PG we draft. Defender, rebounder, shooter, everything you would want around our guards to maximize them. This allows Sengun to get back to his ideal bench role where more shots are available and there is less need for defense.
He really doesn't He had much better numbers off the bench. And we were a layup line giving up 40 points per 1st quarter consistently.
