KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

I just don't think you have much perspective on how good 19 year olds are. The fact that most rookie rankings have Jabari in the top 5 shows how difficult it is for young kids in the league.


Jabari can be a franchise corner stone without being a primary go to scorer. We have that in Green. He can be an elite defender and elite floor spacer. That is deserving of a 3rd pick.

 

Dude I gurantee you I have been watching 19 year olds play basketball far longer than you.

What some random thinks about how rookie NBA players stack up means nothing heck they probably have not spent more than 30 minutes watching any of them, I am not even saying the rankings are wrong Smith might be the most impressive rookie so far I don't know because I have not watched a lot of them.

Jabari cannot be a Franchise cornerstone if he can't create his own shot that just a fact and so far he has shown to be a streaky shooter on top of that.

We don't know if he can be an elite defender or an elite floor spacer an elite floor spacer is Curry and Klay or even a guy like Korver and Smith has not shown to be that.

If he does become elite at both of those then we can have that discussion, but so far he has shown to be a Ariza type guy and is that worth Franchise money?

Because that's the way I am judging him, will he be worth a franchise money type deal 2 years down the line was Ariza ever worth that and Ariza was a much better defender and a better ball handler and playmaker.

The jury is still out on if Green is a guy who can be the leading scorer on a contending and not a guy who can just get you a lot of points on occasion.

The really crazy part is that we had a guy who was all of that, and you took every chance you could to **** on him yet for some reason you are all in on these guys who have not proven anything.

 

You aren't really showing the analysis and objectivity level to show me that you've watched a lot of 19 year olds. At this point you are just telling me this and I don't believe you because you have horrendous takes about 19 year olds.

 

Dude!

I don't have to show you anything, I don't give a care if you believe me or not.

I can't believe you thought that would work because If I actually did prove something to you would just move the goalpost.

That's why I don't engage with you. I have already given you too much time.

 

If you run into an ******* in the morning, you ran into an *******. If you run into assholes all day, you're the *******.

 

When have I said I can't be an *******?

The mistake you make is that you think I care that you think I am an ******* or any other poster.

 

Please tell me...

What are my priorities and how are they out of wack? I'm not the one throwing out ish on the ONLY kid on the team that has shown this much improvement over the first stretch of the season. Instead of giving him props and realizing he needs to be more involved you decide to what?

It would be a damn shame if over the last 50 games the fellas actually got him involved and he came away with ROY.

Yeah a damn shame. SMFH

Whose got their priorities out of wack?

 

Whoever as long as their making the right decisions. Period.

 

Probably still be the same player at 25, not showing improvement in trusting his teamates and understanding situational baskeball......but I am not going to judge a 22 year old player who would be in his first year in the league if he went 4 years to college which would have helped him a lot, BTW.

I just think KPJ is doing fine, and what the org is wanting him to do, he sometimes loses focus and goes 1 v 5, but those are happening less often, he also takes a fadeaway midrange when he can just go up straight and shoot it on balance, but that is nitpicking....

Overall, I realize what the org is doing, they are HOPING that Jalen and KPJ become a dynamic duo, and while we are rebuilding they are going to give it enough time to see....will it work? WHO KNOWS?

However if it DOES work we have a major advantage every night on the floor, so am willing to give them a couple of years to see....we aren't winning any rings in the next 4 years....so what does the next 2 - 3 matter anyway? Guys will come and go and we will find out who is a keeper and who is trade bait.

I am not even that much of a fan of KPJ's game I just HATE how he is bullied with ignorance around here....as a 22 year old scoring guard who is learning a new position - just let the man try to figure it out....there are improvements if you care to look......FT shooting is up, he has added a midrange, his dribble turnovers are down though his passing ones....are still there......he is getting it....not as fast as some of you like but it is there.

And again if it works we are set, if not, no harm done to anyone and we have increased his trade value to get something in return for the effort.

CURAHEEEE !!!!
Go Rox !

DD

 

KPJ has more lost ball and passing turnovers per game this season compared to last.
Last season KPJ shot 33.8% from midrange. This season KPJ is shooting 29.5% from midrange.
He’s shooting more of the shots he’s bad at and less of the shots he’s good at. Efficiency down. Assist rate down.

But yes. His FT% has gone up.

Improvement.

 

I think there's an interesting correlation here between your defense of a guy who has, let's call them maturity issues, and the way you are posting.

 

This is a grea example of how stats are atmost 30% of the story,is he shooting the same midrange shots as oast year or the same rate? Hiw many of his shots at the FT line are counted asmidrange?

DD

 

Midrange shots are not FTs

 

Same story different day. When your takes are the opposite of reality proven by statistical fact …”damned lies and statistics” “stats tell maybe 30% of the story”

Any chance you could enlighten us on how you settled on stats only telling 30% of the story? Pulled out of thin air or a multi year study?

Shouldn’t the burden of proof be on the person making the claims that don’t jibe with the stats(or the eye test)? Prove to us how his turnovers off the dribble are down when the stats say they are up. Prove to us that he’s added a midrange shot when the stats say there’s nothing new or improved there. We’re supposed to just take your word for it?

I’d also enjoy you proving how his FT shooting has improved WITHOUT using stats. Interested in how one would go about doing that.

 

Stats tell part of the story but not the full story they are flawed going in and usually ignore things like defense etc.

i see what i see and trust what i see you guys dont like him so you pick stats that fit your narrative and blame him when others on the team struggle you say nothing.
You believe what you want- i will enjoy what KPJ is doing and the Org believing he is doing fine.

DD

 

Just basing it off his own self proclamation, so if he has the green light as the self proclaimed PG, then that is on himself being that since the staff gave him that green light to do as thou will off top

I have nothing against KPJ and I inner stand both sides of the coin as those who are pro or anti about his style of play, was just pointing out his stance on being the PG which is usually the leader, rather legit or quasi/by default

Which is why as the said leader he makes sure Green / Smith n Sengun eat early and often, and to a lesser degree Gordon, and if they are not delivering then let his combo instincts assert itself unleashing the scoring side

That should happen rather the coaches demand of it or not, that's basic inner IQ 101, it is what it be

 

• Eye test tells us KPJ is an poor scorer
  • Worst TS% in our starting lineup despite having the 2nd most amount of shots
  • Very meh ISO PPP at 1.02 despite having a ISO frequency of over 15%
  • Career lows in FG% and 3pt%
• Eye test tells us KPJ is a poor playmaker
  • Frequently dribbles BACK INTO his roll man's area letting the D easily collapse on him
    
  • Consistently misses the open shooter in the corner who all have a higher TS% than him
  • A whopping 17.8 TOV% to go with the 2nd highest USG% on the team
• Eye test tells us KPJ is a poor decision maker
  • Multiple immature outbursts on and off the court each year prior to this season
  • Constantly drives into areas with multiple defenders to force a bad shot at the rim
    
  • Consistently turns the ball over when pressured by the D including inexcusable up and downs
  • Took a technical FT recently despite being in the bottom half percentage wise

In the world of DD through his eyes; yup, KPJ is doing fine!

 

I think people can understand why the Rockets are trying it. I think most people, at this point, just believe it's not going to work. You haven't formed an opinion about whether or not it will be successful but others have assessed it and feel like it's time to move on...or at the very least, it's time to start transitioning to something else.

Next season the Rockets needs to start really trying to win games. So at some point soon they need to decide as an organization if KPJ is the guy to have at the starting PG position...Because having him handle the ball as much as he does, if he is not that guy, is just a detriment to everyone else.

I don't think he is and I don't think the organization believes he is either.

 

stans really trying to claim KPJ as some sort of leader…



Leader in turnovers?

 

thanks for reminding about how we traded Harden at peak value.

Thank goodness or else we become the Knicks of the next decade.

I enjoy watching basketball also. And I enjoy Green more than Harden. I have no clue how high Green can rise but for 2 years now you've been dogging this kid at every turn always second guessing him.

And my expectations for a contender are completely different than my expectations on a rebuilding team so the way I criticize is going to be based on different criteria.

Let's put it this way. If Green is producing the exact same way with no improvement in 2 years, he will turn into the new whipping boy replacing KPJ.