KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

what was he playing before? you're acting like he wasn't a perimeter player before. This isn't someone going from playing running back to QB, this is a dude in his FORTH season who is exactly as bad as he was the previous 3

 

From a personal point of view Scooter has not lived up to the hype I have pushed. He does need to be more efficient no way around it. With that said it would do his stat sheet wonders if he could just convert those easy ass shots he misses near the rim. Turnovers are not in a good place either. As the team continues to jell and the roster grows TOGETHER the stats for ALL of the players should increase and become more efficient. Chemistry is the most important thing for this team to develop right now and its fairly evident for those paying attention that it is happening.

 

KPJ is the leader of the team this year, he is the alpha.

DD

 

I think you're wrong. When he came into the league he was a SG and then they moved him to SF. He missed a yr and begin playing PG just last yr, of which he missed some or most it due to injury.

Also, just because you play a perimeter position, does not make you a PG. If that's the case KD could be a PG, Klay Thompson or Kwahi Leonard. Or it would be like moving CP3 to shooting guard, his effectiveness is better with the ball in his hands. He would have to learn to be more effective as a Catch and Shoot Player....its not easy!

Edit: I don't know or not if you've ever played but if you have, you should know PG is the hardest position in basketball and it's not learned overnight.

 

lol if he is, then we are so ****ed

 

As I said earlier, when people compared Harden to KPJ. At the young age of 22yrs old, Harden was playing with 3 players who you could consider at the time were All-Stars; KD, Westbrook and Ibaka and they had a veteran supporting cast.

So he had all of the privileges KPJ does not. I'm still not saying KPJ is on Harden's level but if you look at everything in its TOTALITY; he's learning a new position, he's 22yrs old, he's playing with rookies and 1st yr players.....So on the contrary, I think he's doing a helluva job!

 

He 100% is I sat courtside in SA and he was taking players aside talking clearly it is his show atm.

DD

 

But he’s horrible. Like….he’s genuinely playing terrible this year. Exactly as bad as last year and the years he played different positions. If he was showing improvement, then i’d be there with you but he isn’t. He’s just as awful

 

I get the gist and appreciate the passion, but its not really an apples to apples. Im not going to touch a comp with one of the greatest offensive players in the history of the game and attach it to one of our younger developing players. Its really not fair and I abhor most comps within the draft cycle and afterwards. Archetype is really the way the game is going. Positionless and 5 man lineups that can morph into whatever is required at the drop of a dime.

I've posted the game numbers before and they get selectively ignored for the "he should be better by year 4" decriers. I agree that while KPJ is in his 4th season its not a natural progression considering his issues that put him in that spot in the first place. Still stands that he only has about 100 starts in his career and there is no substitute for game time. I believe he's doing fine in the vacuum that is a developmental year, but its hard to argue against the numbers, but in the same breath those numbers shouldnt be an end all to the player and dictating TODAY that what we see is what we get solely based on a statistical position.

I thought he'd be a 20/10 type PG and I was wrong. Im ok with that because he's meshing well with this team and as they learn each others game experience will start to prevail. Its not easy to win NBA games with a team that has one of the youngest teams in the league. Thrusting that onto ONE PLAYER was always contrived and biased I can agree with that sentiment.

Hey at least he hasnt thrown soup and drove off at halftime huh! Plenty were banking on him having a mental breakdown and being untrustworthy so that also should speak volumes of where he's heading.

 

Like I said, if he is our leader then we are completely ****ed.

 

Or maybe you just don't have a very good eye for talent?

Thus far this season, the 3 worst performing Rockets are, in order, Jabari Smith, Jalen Green, and Eric Gordon.

If KPJ is "horrible", despite performing objectively better than those 3, how would you describe their performance?

See, this is what happens when people get too invested in a false narrative and get in their feelings about it. You end up blinded to reality.

 

Maybe you're viewing his play through discarded lenses. Lol

It's imaginable for me to believe he is playing as bad as your insinuating. Reason being, although the contract is favorable to the Rockets, I don't think they would have given him a new contract. Secondly, I don't think he would be receiving the accolades from opposing Players and Coaches as he's been getting, if he were playing as bad or as poorly as you and others on this site make it out to be.

Many present statics but statistics do not tell the WHOLE story, only segments. It tells what a particular player is doing individually but it doesn't factor in the team surrounding that player, if his coach is a positive or negative on that player (is he putting that player in a good position to succeed), it's a lot statics don't tell you.

I take it all into account, more so the eye test. So if you're saying KPJ is not improving, he's playing poorly, I don't see that.

 

Jabari has been maybe the worst rotation player in the nba this year? I think it’s fair to say he has been beyond horrible. Gordon is complete garbage who doesn’t care. Green has been incredibly disappointing so far but overall has been bad. Green has shown flashes with some great games

 

With Green it's 100% about his defense. It's flat out dogshit.

Anyway, I was just curious about what you'd say about some of the players who thus far are objectively performing worse than KPJ.

Personally, I think the recent games have been cause for optimism.

 

Green has been incredibly disappointing? What the ****? Is this gaslighting?

 

I think it's a fair statement. He's been Dr. Jekyll and Mr Hyde out there on offense and he almost never plays anything resembling defense.

I guess it all depends on what your expectations for him were. Mine were fairly high.

 

Stop it with the defense narrative. You are just pulling **** out of your ass.

Some metrics show Green is a better defender than KPJ and some show KPJ is a better defender.

 

Green has been super inconsistent, which is what gives me such high hopes for him long term. He’s had a bunch of very good games. He doesn’t play defense, but guys like typically don’t play defense till their mid 20s unfortunately

 

Kpj sucks on defense, that’s not really much of a statement.

 

This graph literally shows two things:

Green has above average on ball match up difficulty and above average on ball defense. The graph compares all guards across the league so we see where Green falls.