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KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DasouthDakota, Oct 25, 2022.

  1. maypk

    maypk Member

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    Rockets have the exact same record from previous year with the addition of top 3 pick from the draft. I don't think that's development or growth.
     
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    Rockets vs Bucks

    Rockets TS% : 50.4%
    Bucks TS% : 47.0%

    As is the case in every basketball game the more efficient team won.

    KPJ becoming an efficient scorer is extremely important if the team wants to win more in the future because he takes the 2nd most shots on the team. The more shots you take the more your individual efficiency contributes to the teams overall efficiency. And again, efficiency is what decides who wins games.
     
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    LOL it's very telling you keep harping on the TS% like that's the end all be all.

    Nothing asinine with what I have been saying, your hating on KPJ is what's asinine.
     
  4. jiggyfly

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    Not disputing this but KPJ has time because he is young and also he will be more efficient when he is playing against better players.

    The only thing sperating him from Brunsons current efficiency is 1 made basket per game.

    https://craftednba.com/players/comparison

    Both are shooting 15.5 shots a game and Brunson is 7.2 and KPJ is making 6.3, yet their shooting percentage is .46 to .41 and you all are trying to tell 1 shot is all the difference from being a bad player to a good player or that he can't get on that level?

    This is a great site you can compare players head to head.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    I wonder why that might be?

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    Now he's started to turn the corner a bit, but thus far Jabari Smith has had one of the worst performances in this rookie class....and now look at that second picture, notice anyone sticking out down by the worst defensive players in the league?

    As of the most recently updated information, the 3 worst performing players on the Rockets according to TPA are

    Jabari Smith at -52.14 - Mostly due to REALLY bad offense
    Jalen Green at -38.92 - Almost exclusively due to REALLY bad defense
    Eric Gordon at -27.46 - He's more balanced, he's just kind of bad on both ends

    All 3 of these guys are in the starting lineup.....of course the team is going to struggle.

    Now add to that KPJ isn't all that much better at -21.50, almost exclusively due to poor defense and the reason for struggles are obvious.....and despite what some of the less intelligent Rockets fans might have you think, you can't blame it all (or even most) on KPJ. It's a young team that is going through growing pains, but they've showed flashes of what they can be when they get it right. Have the patience to let them figure it out.
     
  6. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Well that is because it doesn't fit your narrative.

    Let's see where they are at the end of the year and whether the KPJ Haterades can have a growth mindset and put the team first.

    DD
     
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  7. hlmbasketball

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    I think everyone clearly understands what you're saying, the % stats and the fact that Harden handled the ball more than KPJ but had less turnovers per possession.

    However, KPJ and Harden at similar junctures in their careers, Harden played the same position in Highschool and college, was paired with 3 of the best players in the league at the time; KD, Westbrook and Ibaka ALL WHILE coming off the bench. So he didn't have as much pressure.

    KPJ is a starter, playing a position he was thrust into a year ago, playing with rookies, 1st yr and 2nd yr players and people are expecting him to be an All-Star.

    GIVE HIM TIME!
     
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  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    A - ****ING - MEN!

    DD
     
  9. maypk

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    You literally said the real measurement is winning games. The Rockets have the exact same amount of wins compared to previous season.
     
  10. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Exacxtly true, that is the only measurement that matters.

    I think because of our strength of schedule to start we are showing improvement - but one can only truly tell once all the games are counted....so just let's wait and see......

    DD
     
  11. chenjy9

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    LOL the team would improve with or without KPJ. IMO they would improve faster without KPJ playing his current role.
     
  12. maypk

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    Dude said you can measure improvement only by the amount of wins you get. And i just shared an undeniable FACT which is the Rockets have the exact same amount of wins compared to previous season, i'm not the one claiming that, so i honestly don't know why you quote me instead of that dude.
     
  13. astrosrule

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    The kpj only fans stick together
     
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    The point is that the Rockets added one of the worst performing players in the NBA to their starting lineup....why would that lead to MORE early season wins?

    I think we'll ultimately judge them by wins, but even tying last year's win total to this point is impressive given just how poorly Jabari started the season and how difficult the early season schedule has been.

    Not all of this is directed at you, it's just your post that led to me to respond to the general discussion going on.
     
  15. hlmbasketball

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    No. I think we've seen what they looked like the one game he missed this yr and for that matter, the games he missed last yr too.

    He is the one consistent player they have. Everyone else has been up and down.
     
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    And as well as he played ALL of the talk was about Jabari and Jalen. I thought the "LOVE" should have been spread amongst those three.
     
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  18. maypk

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    You can judge a team by the amount of wins they get, not a player. It doesn't matter if it's Jalen, KPJ, Bari, KJ, Sengun or Nix.

    As i already said i'm not the one judging any player by the amount of wins the Rockets have. Dude said "KPJ is clearly growing and the amount of the wins the Rockets have proves that."
     
  19. Bobbythegreat

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    That's fair, and I'm certainly not going to judge any individual player based on ANY team accomplishment or failure, I was only responding to why the team has struggled thus far this season.

    I think we'll judge the development and growth of the team as a whole based on the final win tally along with other things. We'll judge individual players based on their individual performance.
     
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  20. hlmbasketball

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    It's not about sticking together, it's about seeing the TOTALITY of the situation at hand.

    PG is not an easy position, its similar to playing QB in the NFL. Also, to have played a different position your whole basketball career and then to be thrust into a position which is considered the hardest in basketball.....I think he's doing well!

    The team is young , so it's better for him to grow into the position now and mature as the team is maturing.
     
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