KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Harden is/was a better shooter, but not by that much TBH, Harden got a ton of points by drawing fouls and gaming the system which has been changed to stop that nonsense.

KPJ is not Harden, if KPJ was a more efficient scorer all the whiners about PG this and PG that would shut up and just be happy he is scoring a lot....just like they did with Harden.

So, here is to hoping KPJ continues to improve his shooting.....the board needs it.
DD

 

Since Harden left the Rockets he has averaged 8 free throws per game, in contrast to his Houston years which was 10 free throws per game. That's a difference of one foul from one drive. His drop in free throw attempts can be attributed more to his physical decline than this supposed change in system.

Gaming the system or not, James Harden would average a lot of free throws in any era, not unlike any other elite scorers like Lebron, Jordan, Kobe or Wade, all of whom in their primes averaged 8-10 free throws in their prime.

 

Man, it’s kinda sad how you have such low comprehension of math. So many have tried to help you understand but you just refuse. So weird. Only in DD land is 15.5 more then 17.5.

 

In some worlds, it's hard to know what is higher and what is lower.

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Mama, they bullying me!


-DD

 

It's not a low comprehension of math, but rather being disingenuous in presenting statistics. If the situations between KPJ and Harden were reversed, there is no doubt DD would be trying to argue how KPJ is doing great from a TOV% perspective. Right now, advanced statistical analysis is fake news and box scores are the only real stats because that benefits KPJ. For me personally, that's worse than being anti-math.

 

I don’t really consider % stats to be advanced analysis, more so common sense. Players use different amounts of possessions so you can’t compare totals, there’s no logic behind it. I mean DD is basically saying that a guy who turns it over 4 times in 100 possessions is worse then a guy who turns it over 3 times in 3 possessions. THAT is how absurd it is.

It’s possible you’re right though and that he knows better and is just trolling

 

whatever goes his way. I have seen him argue the other way, or say something like ‘it is not important because we won’, or enjoy the ride, when he has no argument. It is not a matter of finding the truth or having an actual discussion.

 

Anything beyond box score metrics are advanced to most basketball fans

 

Those are not the physical turnovers, Harden leads the league with the most turnovers in a season. It is an NBA record, and no amount of slipping and sliding by you or anyone else can change that.

The NBA counts turnovers ….. PERIOD.

Harden has more than anyone else. PERIOD in a single season ever.

The other team got the ball given to them by Harden more per game than anyone else, an undisputed fact.

All time worst season, it is in the record books - you jock riders can try to minimize that but he has the record.

DD

 

Can you all just get a room and enjoy yourselves, and please clean up after.

The way you all have such glee in attacking KPJ is hilarious.

How did you like that Bucks game?

 

Stats geeks don’t know basketball, they just like spreadsheets with made up algorithms.

Not sure the Guinness record book counts usage rates lol, but the sure count physical turnovers.

DD

 

Yes, if KPJ was a better player, his critics would go away. That is kind of what is supposed to happen.

 

In your opinion, who would you consider to be a higher turnover player (these numbers are made up, but please just answer, i'm curious)

Player A: Uses 40 possessions per game and turns it over on 6 of them
Player B: Uses 20 possessions per game and turns it over on 4 of them

Do you consider player A to turn the ball over more? or player B?

 

if you have a game and one player has 4 turnovers and the other 3, player with 4 has more pyshicsl turnovers that game.

if you are gauging turnover prone you can use usage, but there is no Guinness count for prone.

A turnover helps the other team Harden has more in a single season than anyone else all time.

DD

 

Happy we won. Disappointed that KPJ once again displayed his inability to be an efficient scorer. 18 on 53.3 TS%. Consistently below league average. Continues to be a bad sign for his future.

 

Nice comeback after an asinine statement. I expected nothing less from you.

 

Anti KPJ folks are desperate to attack him even when the team with him is clearly improving, which is the goal team improvement, you know the measurement in wins and losses, not true shooting but wins and losses the only stat that counts.

DD

 

In your opinion, would you say player A was a higher turnover player, or player B? Harden has nothing to do with the question