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Elon vs Twitter update: Elon helped America win , Tesla stock through the roof

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tinman, Mar 26, 2022.

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Who is for democracy?

  1. Elon

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    57.6%
  2. Twitter

    9 vote(s)
    15.3%
  3. Chinese democracy by Guns N Roses

    16 vote(s)
    27.1%
  1. Space Ghost

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    To make it clear, I have no real issue with Twitter 1.0 (or 2.0) biased hypocritical policies. I understand that I am the product of the platform and I also understand undesirable products can be discontinued.

    I find it sad certain biases refuse to admit the bias and ride their high horse of hypocrisy. Yoel Roth was a cancer to the company and an overall degenerate. Many of the hypercharged left do not realize how far off from reality they have become and the run-of-the-mill partisan left need to stop enabling them. Gender pronouns is some of the dumbest **** I've seen come from the left. Fortunately the moderate left are now pushing back. While they do not denounce it, they are at least regulating it to 'nothingburgers' instead of embracing and defending.
    Some of you guys need to apologize for gaslighting. We all get duped from time to time. Still looking for those WMDs in Iraq 20 years later and its a tragedy we lost so many good young Americans looking for them.
     
  2. Os Trigonum

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    This is peak gaslighting.

    Can't even accurately portray the left.

    Also this shows how "bias" is a farce talking point precisely because you think the left concentrates on pronouns.

    Why? Because that tells me you are being spammed by right wing propaganda that makes "the left cares about gender pronouns" as the number one talking point when in reality leftist people might occasionally discuss it maybe in things like academic settings. So right wing social media accounts spam transgender rhetoric to make it seem like a larger issue.


    At this point I'm confident you know of every single negative transgender interaction in existence for the past few years. Ever single one of them because that's how deep and pervasive right wing social media is about this.

    Your perception of the left is fueled by the biased media bubble you consume which I find so hilariously ironic given your rant here.

    Leftists will always have class inequality as the bungee one issue. You can spot the leftist by how often they b**** about capitalism, not how often they talk about pronouns. At this point, right wingers express sentiments about pronouns more than leftists.


    And I bet half the "moderate left" push back in reality is those social media accounts that say stuff like "I'm classically liberal".
     
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  6. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    If Musk's suggestion that Yoel Roth is sympathetic to pedophillia is the driving force behind the threats against him and the reason he had to leave his home, Musk just opened himself up to a big defamation lawsuit.

    These kinds of attacks on individuals go beyond cancel culture. I'm somewhat confused that you find it humorous.
     
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    What does "it" refer to?? why would you suggest I find that part of the story humorous? I find the fact that WaPo, having ignored the story for the past month, all of a sudden finds the Twitter story significant to be humorous.

    chillax Sweet Lou, you almost sound like @Deckard here. Direct the self-righteousness to where it's deserved.
     
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    Your whole embodiment on this message board is self righteous indignation.
     
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    "It" refers to Musk going full Q-Anon on a former employee.

    I don't see how I am being self-righteous here at all - I'm stating I am somewhat confused - did I past any judgement on you? I think you're being oversensitive on this Os if I can't even gently critique a post by you. You've been pretty consistent in your criticism against cancel culture and I've said little regarding it. I feel it's more than fair to point out the disconnect there as a response - and again without any accusation concerning your reasons or motivations! How gentle do I need to be here?

    Also WAPO has been covering Musk/Twitter fairly regularly including the last month - a simple search pulls up multiple articles on Musk and Twitter over the past 30 days. So your initial post seems odd.
     
  10. Os Trigonum

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    my only comment was "lol. the Washington Post decides to start covering Twitter"

    so tell me how that is somehow applauding whatever happened to Yoel Roth. I'll wait.
     
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    It's nice to see all the malfeasance at Twitter exposed.

    But, it really does feel like a "no ****, sherlock" kind of discovery.

    Between the contextual clues and what Twitter publicly said/did, it was fairly obvious something was up.

    If Bill Gates bought FOX and suddenly started publishing "THE FOX NEW FILES" about their political bias, we'd all shrug too.
     
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    I think I've already addressed both of these and why I responded. I'm looking at my response and no where did I say you were applauding "whatever happened to Yoel Roth"
     
  13. Os Trigonum

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    ok
     
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    Well, it's one thing to know about their bias - we have known that for a long time.

    But it's another thing how journalists have been discrediting any questioning of the "official party line" as "conspiracy theories" (and relentlessly attacking, smearing, silencing dissenters), just for one after another of these "conspiracy theories" to be proven true.

    Most of journalism used to challenge those in power, as a 4th pillar of democracy. Nowadays, too often it feels like journalists instead smear dissenters on behalf of those in power.
     
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    Althouse comments on the Washington Post article:

    https://althouse.blogspot.com/2022/12/twitter-on-monday-night-abruptly.html

    December 13, 2022
    "Twitter on Monday night abruptly dissolved its Trust and Safety Council...."

    The Washington Post reports, characterizing the move as "the latest sign that Elon Musk is unraveling years of work and institutions created to make the social network safer and more civil."

    Twitter first formed the Trust and Safety Council in 2016, as social networks were coming under greater scrutiny for their role in amplifying hate, terrorism, child exploitation and other problematic content online. The council convened a wide range of civil society groups, think tanks — and even some of Silicon Valley’s biggest critics....

    Last week, three members of the Trust and Safety Council resigned, warning that the “safety and wellbeing of Twitter’s users are on the decline.” Musk responded to replies to their tweet announcing their resignation, writing, “It’s a crime that they refused to take action on child exploitation for years!” ....

    Midway through the article, the topic switches to something that is in the url for this article — "musk-twitter-harass-yoel-roth/":

    Yoel Roth, Twitter’s former head of trust and safety, and his family were forced from their home after Elon Musk’s tweets misrepresented Roth’s academic writing about sexual activity and children. The online mob also sent threats to people Roth had replied to on Twitter, forcing some of Roth’s family and friends to delete their Twitter accounts, according to a person familiar with Roth’s situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to concerns about Roth’s safety.

    Musk’s followers also directed harassment at professors who reviewed the dissertation that Roth wrote in 2016.....

    At this point, many readers will be puzzling about what's in the dissertation. It's "about sexual activity and children," and Musk supposedly "misrepresented" it, so give us the true, unmisrepresented content of the dissertation. Of course, it's bad if any "mob" threatened anyone here, but what was it that stoked the anger?

    Musk tweets about Roth recalled the QAnon conspiracy movement, which claims incorrectly that Democratic Party leaders direct a child sex abuse network. “Looks like Yoel is arguing in favor of children being able to access adult Internet services in his PhD thesis,” Musk tweeted Saturday, attaching a screenshot of Roth’s dissertation.
    Does Musk sound like QAnon there?! There's a huge difference between directing a child sex abuse network and arguing in favor of children's freedom to go to websites! To equate the two is to fail to grasp freedom of speech.

    Finally, there's some detail about what's in the dissertation:

    In the text, Roth suggested that services like the gay dating app Grindr should adopt safety strategies to accommodate teenagers using their platforms, rather than drive them out entirely....

    That is disturbing, and it does justify questioning whether Roth was the best person to trust to take action on child exploitation. Is it true that the Trust and Safety Council didn't do enough, that it fell so short that it made sense for Musk to assert "It's a crime"? If so, what's wrong — and what's "abrupt" — about the dissolution of the Trust and Safety Council?

    And where did WaPo support its assertion that "Elon Musk is unraveling years of work and institutions created to make the social network safer and more civil"? If the Council "refused to take action on child exploitation for years" — Musk's words — then it was not making Twitter "safer and more civil."

    Whose safety?

    Posted by Ann Althouse at 3:54 AM
     
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    Lol and what are these people fight truth to power for?

    Vaccines? Masks? The right to tell transgender people that they aren't transgender? Gay indoctrination lobby?


    These are the beacons that people like you claim is "fighting truth to power".

    it's so damn ironic because the people in power want you to concentrate on this type of bs over class inequality.
     
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    What about the media blackout on this type of stuff:

    https://www.globest.com/2022/11/02/realpage-denies-price-fixing-alleged-in-federal-lawsuit/


    Oh I get it. The people disproportionately in power spamming this "free speech crusade" thing have some form of investment in real estate and appreciate the cartel like price fixing. It benefits them somewhere down the line.

    Boom! truth to power.
     
  19. Os Trigonum

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    precisely
     
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    Why is the fight to tell a transgender person that their pronoun is whatever their birth gender is more important than these type of topics?


    And how is that type of content fighting "truth to power"?
     

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