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Walmart can raise prices and close stores if crime continues: update: 4 Chicago area closing

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by tinman, Dec 12, 2022.

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Is Walmart right cause certain cities don’t stop crime

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  1. tinman

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    And of course, in the end, poor people always get the shaft again because liberal policies will not prosecute the thieves. Thou shall not steal damn it! When you steal shiit, your ass belongs in jail.
     
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    wrong for closing because we need to keep the crime inside walmart and off the streets. thank you for your service walmart
     
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    Businesses could hold politicians in check, have policies friendly towards criminals? Fine…raise prices in those areas
    Politicians less friendly on crime…keep prices lower
     
  6. tinman

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    The people making woke policies are rich people who don’t shop at Walmart
    Sooner or later the policies come back to bite them cause those companies in their stock portfolios need to make profits , they will close stores and have

    the domino effect has already happened

    I already posted about Starbucks closing many stores to due to safety concerns

    You start closing Walmarts and targets
    Then your city is going to suffer
     
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    The Gini coefficient (effectively income inequality), especially in major urban areas, is growing rapidly. This is one of the strongest factors in determining crime rates.

    Police and the courts are stretched beyond thin and so responding to and prosecuting crime of this nature takes a back seat.

    Combine these two things and you have a fairly simple explanation for this phenomenon.

    Of course it's a lot easier to just piss and moan about some wokeness boogeyman being the root of all problems.
     
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    Another aspect of fascism. Understanding crime only through the lense of "law and order" rather than making a sincere attempt at understanding root causes of crime such as growing wealth inequality.

    It's exactly why the modern form of law enforcement around the globe tends to have disproportionately fascist mindset type people joining them.
     
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    This is California law.
    Clearly woke policy. Criminals don't care about political narratives.

    https://www.ktvu.com/news/major-retail-brands-threaten-to-close-stores-over-rampant-retail-theft

    Prop 47, which passed in 2014, enacted many crucial criminal reforms. But it also increased the misdemeanor theft level from $400 to $950 per theft, often resulting in the thieves being cited and released
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    "Candidly, people are not being held accountable for breaking the laws. There are some policy changes that still have to happen. We tried last year in the legislature; couldn't get a bill through," said Michelin.

    For example, thieves go from store to store and steal $900 in merchandise at five places. That $4,500 worth of goods is no longer combined.


    "It's a misdemeanor. It's not a felony. So, people are using theft as a business to fund other illegal activities because there's not a penalty for it," said Michelin.

     
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    Statement at the 40 second mark needs substantiation.
     
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    https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-160551360299

    Proposition 47 did not end prosecution of thefts under $950 in California
    By TERRENCE FRASERJuly 23, 2021



    CLAIM: Under Proposition 47 in California thefts under $950 will not be prosecuted.

    AP ASSESSMENT: False. Proposition 47 was passed in California in 2014 and reclassified felony theft offenses as misdemeanors. It did not allow shoplifting and petty theft to go unprosecuted.

    THE FACTS: The false claim about the proposition circulated on social media with a video showing two individuals walking out of a T.J. Maxx in Granada Hills, California, with duffle bags filled with merchandise and their arms filled with clothing on hangers. No one attempted to stop the pair as they walked out of the store and through the parking lot.

    The scene was captured on video by another person in the store and circulated widely on news media.

    Adam Carolla, a comedian who hosts a podcast, posted the video to Facebook along with a false comment about Proposition 47.

    “Thanks to Prop 47 thefts under $950 will not be prosecuted,” Carolla commented on the post. “So cops will not bother showing up. Just a reminder that you get what you voted for, California!”

    But the post is incorrect. The 2014 proposition modified, but did not eliminate, sentencing for many nonviolent property and drug crimes.

    “What Prop 47 did was take very low level crimes like petty theft, some petty drug offenses, petty larceny, and classify them as misdemeanors rather than felonies,” said Charis Kubrin, professor of criminology, law and society at the University of California, Irvine, who wrote a study examining the impact of the proposition on crime rates. “It doesn’t mean, like that Facebook post is saying, that you’re not prosecuted or that you aren’t committing a crime.”

    According to Alex Bastian, special advisor to Los Angeles District Attorney George Gascón who co-authored Prop 47, most shoplifting was already prosecuted as a misdemeanor anyway.

    “What Prop 47 did is increase the dollar amount by which theft can be prosecuted as a felony from $400 to $950 to adjust for inflation and cost of living,” Bastian said. “But most shoplifting cases are under $400 dollars to begin with, so before Prop 47 and after Prop 47, there isn’t any difference.”

    Proposition 47 was enacted to comply with a 2011 California Supreme Court order, which upheld that California’s overcrowded prisons violated incarcerated individuals’ Eighth Amendment rights against cruel and unusual punishment.

    “In 2011, our prisons were bursting at the seams, and California was ranked either first or second behind Texas as having the highest per capita incarceration rate of any state in the country,” Kubrin said. “It was so bad that the Supreme Court stepped in and told us we needed to reduce our prison population by 33,000 individuals.”

    “So the goal of Prop 47 was to limit our prison population, to reduce the number of people that we send to state prisons,” said Kubrin. “Prop 47 has achieved that goal while not causing crime rates to go up.”

    Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a law Wednesday aimed at curbing organized retail theft, according to Associated Press reporting. The law allows prosecutors to seek to charge the offense as either a misdemeanor or a felony.

    T.J. Maxx’s global media relations team did not respond to a request for comment, nor did store representatives.
     
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    So....they are in the entirely wrong demo and are ****ed.
     
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    Yes, crime exists. What is your point?

    Are you going to offer a solution besides building more prisons to lock people up for petty theft?

    Because that sure as **** ain't gonna fix anything.
     
  16. tinman

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    Statement at the 1:20
    'varies by city'

    he's not going to point out the obvious cities that show up on the news and closing all their stores
     
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    I'm not here to solve the world's problem, nobody here can.
    this is a site where we can buy Rockets T shirts.
    Just discussing topics that really happen and listen to people to make funny excuses or deny it even happens at all

    Could any of us free Griner? Chapo? R Kelly?
    No

    Could we stop a war in Ukraine?
    No

    Could we support NBA games for our favorite team? yes.

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    Theft is a symptom. Ideally we crack down on that while addressing how Americans are feeling the pinch from inflation/debt.


    Deese libturd states dun goof'd up muh Walmert, yerrrrrp!


    https://original.newsbreak.com/@ama...es-more-closures-due-to-increased-shoplifting

    According to a news report, states with the most Walmart store closings in recent years, so far, include Texas with 29 stores closed, North Carolina with 17, and Arkansas with 11 (source). It remains to be seen which communities will lose Walmart stores next.​
     
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    It's getting harder and harder to resist the theory that you are some shitty first version AI chatbot.
     
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    Walmart comes in, destroys local economies with aggressively low prices, raises prices and leaves.
     
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