Lol at a low ball offer for a 24 year old superstar and lol at defining him as “no passing” when he’s one of the best passers in the league, health permitted at the pace of a 9+ assist per game career average, he should wind up very high on the all time assist list If ATL were to move him and rebuild (doesn’t make sense w/ a 24 year old star) it would probably take amongst our strongest possible offers to make a competitive bid (Green, Smith, Nets picks).
Why would you want a cancer on the team? TBH, I was not aware of any of this in regards to Young but your arguments for him being potentially available should make any team run away if they are true.
As many dumb threads he creates, it further validates why folks should listen to the guy who claims Atl is a finals contender. In this case, not
It starts wearing you out at some point lol. Tanking is not for the faint of heart, especially when the talent doesn't pan out.
The passing knock is that other than a dish or kick to end a play no passes - no hockey assist, keep the ball moving etc. Not saying its true, but its the knock
I'm sure this is either a troll thread or an I've-lost-my-mind-watching-this-trash-after-years-of-contention thread, but even if our team was that bad and had that little potential, why would you make a move that at best makes us slightly better, with a still-garbage ceiling? If anything, we should just keep sucking and piling up picks.
Blows my mind that people could not believe in Jalen Green after watching him this season. He is going to be an absolute monster. His floor is Trae's ceiling.
Dumb question but I’ve never gotten clarity, for salary matches does it just have to match this year or do the total contract values have to be the same (or within a certain range)?
https://theathletic.com/3984390/2022/12/09/trae-young-stats-hawks-wrong/ […] And yet … part of the big bet Atlanta made this offseason was about Trae Young. That he was so good that it was worth maximizing his prime. In particular, that he’s so good offensively that Atlanta could afford to spend more effort worrying about surrounding him with defense. Young just hasn’t been that guy this year. Or not in this country, at least. He dropped 31 on Milwaukee’s starters in the first half in Atlanta’s second preseason game in Abu Dhabi, including several deep 3-pointers and a nutmeg of Bobby Portis. That player hasn’t been seen since. Young made seven 3s in that half against the Bucks, which was not terribly unusual for him. He made eight in a game against the Bucks in 2021-22, and six or more on nine occasions last season. In 2022-23, not so much – he’s only made as many as five once, in 23 games. That’s partly because his 3-point attempts are down, slightly. Mostly, it’s because his 3-point accuracy is down, massively: Young has only made 28.9 percent of his 3s this season, compared to 38.2 percent last year. (For reference, Josh Smith shot 28.5 percent from 3 in his NBA career. Sorry, Hawks fans but, yeah. It’s been bad. The 166-shot sample is getting large enough that it’s hard to write off as variance. He knows it, too, throwing up his hands in mock celebration after making his lone triple in seven attempts in Monday’s loss to Oklahoma City. The story doesn’t get any better when breaking Young’s 3s down by shot type. You can sort this data on NBA.com for shot-clock time, dribbles taken, defender distance and what type of cereal for breakfast. They all lead to the same place: he’s worse at basically every type of 3-point shot than a year ago. His shot quality and distribution hasn’t seemed to change much this season from 2021-22, but his accuracy has. The vast majority of Young’s 3s are off the dribble, something the Hawks hoped might change playing next to Murray, but really hasn’t. And the vast majority of his 3s are considered “open” or “wide open” by tracking data, because of Young’s knack for creating space. He’s just missing them now. According to the NBA’s tracking data, Young made 42.5 percent of his 3s with six feet or more of room from his defender in 2021-22; this year’s he’s at 36.4 percent. With a defender within 4-6 feet, he’s made a respectable 35.2 percent; he’s at a ghastly 23.5 percent this season. It’s not getting better, either: Young has made only five of his last 34 tries from deep. Trying to find a cause is difficult. Subjectively, his shot looks maybe a bit flatter than a year ago, causing him to miss long more than he once did. But you’d need to do a lot of squinting to say this definitely off videotape. Young’s 2-point shooting is also down from a year ago, at a career-low 46.6 percent inside the arc. In particular, he’s seemed to struggle to knock down the full-speed running floaters that have been such a staple of his game. Nonetheless, one might be tempted to place more of the blame for this squarely on the lack of spacing. Virtually the entire difference in his 2-point shooting is the result of A) shooting worse at the rim and B) shooting more frequently from floater range, both of which underline the notion that he’s playing in crowds a lot more than he did in past years. Of course, there is one data point left to talk about, which could make the next few weeks quite interesting. Young’s shot profile hasn’t changed, but his time with the rock has. He is averaging more frontcourt touches than a year ago but less time with each, as the Hawks have made Murray a more prominent piece of their attack. Last year, none of the top nine Hawks besides Young had a Usage Rate above 21.5 percent. Even that one belonged to Bogdanovic, who usually ran offense when Young sat. This year, however, Murray is at 25.8 percent, the second-highest mark of his career after last season’s 27.3 mark in San Antonio. This takes us back to an issue that may underlie some of the problems for Young: Just plain ol’ comfort. The partnership between Young and Murray has been uneasy on the court, with more of a your-turn, my-turn feel than a symbiosis between two All-Star guards. That might have been inevitable to some extent, given the presence of only one basketball. But it also speaks to how rarely Young has played off the ball in his career. Look, Young wants to get the ball and run a pick-and-roll going to his right, over and over and over and over again. That’s it. When he gives up the ball to Murray’s side of the floor, he turns into a mannequin. The interesting part is that Murray will be out for the next two to three weeks nursing an ankle sprain suffered early in Wednesday’s loss to the Knicks. Which means we’re back to this being the Trae Young Show. One might note that Young has only played one game without Murray so far this year … the preseason contest where he went bananas on the Bucks in Abu Dhabi. Despite a hugely shorthanded roster, Atlanta has a series of winnable games in the next three weeks – two against the Bulls and Magic, one each against Detroit, Indiana and Charlotte. Could this be the spark to get his season back on track? At the very least, seeing Young sans Murray will give us better data points on what Murray’s addition means for the Trae Young experience. Is the first 25 games of this season a shooting slump blip for Young, or something bigger? Is it a sign that Murray was the wrong player to put next to Young? Does Young’s need to be on the ball mean that virtually any perimeter sidekick will deflate his output? And what do all these questions mean for the larger questions of the Hawks’ roster construction as we near the trade deadline? As I said, the 13-12 start masks that these are interesting times in Atlanta … and that the peak version of Trae Young still might fix a lot of what’s wrong. When or if that player appears is anybody’s guess.
The Lloyd Pierce thing interesting. On the possible departure of Silas, I low key added him to my coach-to-watch list. Timeline: 2018-19 - ATL head coach, 1st time head coach, also same year Trae was drafted. 2019-20 - ATL head coach 2020-21 - ATL head coach. Trae tuned out Lloyd Trae showing initial signs of being difficult Lloyd unable to reach though his superstar. 2020-21 - Nate takes over and takes ATL, They reach the ECF before getting bounced out by Bucks. They over-delivered as far as expectations. But one thing noted by Hawks fans, is that although Nate and Trae succeeded here; they were still using Lloyd's system. 2021-22 Hawks made the play-in, but bounced out by MIA in 1st round in a gentleman's sweep. Some Hawks fans attribute the regression due to Nate start putting in his own touches in the system and the team gotten worse. 2022-23 GM got Murray to get the Hawks back on track. The recent incidental blow up between Nate and Trae. As folks might imagine, if Hawks GM had to choose between a coach and Trae, they'll keep Trae for sure. So at least in its early stages, it's unlikely other teams can easily poach. Letting Trae go would be their last resort; contractually speaking, he's locked up until 2027. --- Out of this whole thing, my eyes were less on Trae and Nate... but on Lloyd Pierce. After ATL, he moved to Indiana. 2021-22 - assistant coach 2022-23 - (this year) immediately promoted to lead assistant coach under Rick Carlisle. And now we kinda see how Haliburton is unlocked under Rick and Lloyd. And in manner of speaking ATL wasn't exactly better after Lloyd left. Trae seems to be performing worst under Nate's changes. I'm adding him to my list of potential Silas' replacement along with Atkinson, Snyder, Becky, and Cassell. And among the 'wish-list' candidates, Pierce could be a more realistic get.
That's kind of my point - how much more tanking and just plain bad basketball can you tolerate before "can we just be OK" is acceptable. Last night's loss was horrid. The Rockets have been in a 2+ year tank job and have 2 draft worth of allegedly promising rookies. The Spurs are plunging enthusiastically to the bottom, lost 16/17, and were operating at half strength - and they blew the Rockets away in the second half without really even trying. The Rockets are still bad, but they need to show some progress - last night they showed none.
LOL Sengun is a better player than Young...you never trade a better player for a weaker one....keep worshiping media and dont forget to get your 6th booster vaxx...or it is the 7th? its hard to follow this scientific ish... @Easy @Verbal Christ @Sweet Lou 4 2 @"The scientists"
