His own family is literally telling you that the state department has been asking for Whelan constantly and would have easily accepted Whelan and Griner happily.... If Putin said yes. None of your talking points even make logical sense. Why the **** would the Biden admin say no to a prisoner swaps for Whelan also? That's a political slam dunk. And why are you giving the benefit of the doubt to Whelan who was dishonorably discharged and not Griner?
Why are u just making sh*t up? Are u not aware that Biden got a man named Trevor Reed, a former white Marine who had been sentenced to 9 years, out of Russia just a few months ago? He hasn’t attempted a swap for Whelan? Man, stop… Russia isn’t letting Whelon go, he was charged with espionage…with being a spy comprehend that that is a far bigger deal and taken far more seriously than Griner and her vape pens, or Reed and his drunken bar fight Russia wanted a 3 for 1 swap including this arms dealer for Whelan when Trump was President, and the administration said “fck no”…they wanted 3 guys just for Whelan, and that was before they entered a war with Ukraine and everything else that has gone on Whelan was detained in 2018, and by the end of 2019, he still hadn’t even been labeled a wrongful detainee by the Trump admin. Were u aware of that? Probably not
Here me out.. real simple... That Swap should have never been made... Not for an arms dealer, that is going to go out and wreck havoc.. More than likely on America... CBS Stated right here.. Biden was the one under pressure and not Putin... T_Man
Do you see how your narrative isn't consistent and is constantly shifting? Sign of someone who jumps in to a conversation without any nuanced understanding of the situation. Again, you made explicit claims very confidently such as the Biden administration purposefully saying now to Whelan which is something you pulled out of your ass. Why would anyone engage in a rational conversation with you on this matter if you are willing to spew such obviously incorrect information so confidently? Are you a former crayon eater by chance?
Hear me out - for entertainment, why don't you explain how this scenario is going to unfold? "Arms dealers "sounds real scary, in a nation of wackos where people carry private sale AR15s to 7-11 for a slurpee. Anyway for fun why don't you sketch out the revenge of Viktor Bout. I assume Florida is involved.
And we never should have let that arms dealer go... Did we swap an arms dealer for Reed??? We released a Pilot convicted of drug smuggling.. Reed was convicted of hitting a Russian Police officer and he was sick... I bet if he wasn't sick, they wouldn't have made that swap That swap with Griner and arms dealer is pure crap.... T_Man
Yep love the grape flavor.. My favorite... You have your Opinion and I have mines... So enjoy your celebrity.... T_Man
We were going to make him go in a few years dude... You know he was given a minimum 25 year sentence and has served most his time? Such havoc the man will release that the US gov was going to naturally release him in a few years. Ya that's right. The such feared arms dealer literally got a minimum sentence by the federal government.
The main thing is that you are actually glad she's coming home. I believe their whole justice system is unjust. Her having two vapes still doesn't make imprisonment just in my opinion. But all of that is so much less important than the fact that she was freed. That isn't something for anyone to be upset about. I know the Biden administration was and is still working on a Whelan release. It is a separate issue. People can be upset with the administration's progress with that if they want. But it was never a one or the other deal. Whelan is convicted of a much more serious crime (though I believe unjustly). But being upset about Griner being released while Whelan is still imprisoned is like being angry doctors removed infected tonsils while the cancer is still uncured in a patient.
if you’re mad that it wasn’t a fair trade for Griner, then say that instead of making up complete nonsense and fairytales like they haven’t attempted to make a swap for a WHITE marine…they literally got a white marine out a few months ago, and they have obviously been trying to get Whelan out, but surprise surprise, being found guilty of being a spy is a huge deal…this ain’t trying to get ASAP Rocky out of Sweden
First off you never ever heard me say they didn't attempt to Swap for a White Marine... So you stop making stuff up.... Second you damn right i'm pissed and I stated earlier in my text... The woman was found Guilty and never denied any of it... The only reason and I mean only reason they did that SWAP is because of the pressure that Biden was getting from NBA stars and celebrities... That SWAP should have never happened... T_Man
The only reason and I mean the only reason the swap happened is because Putin said yes to her and no to others. You are literally getting sliced telling you the Biden administration has constantly tried to get Whelan back. And what the **** is up with your double standard of applying personal responsibility to one and not the other. Admitting to possession of weed is extremely different than admitting to God damn espionage. Ya of course the dude is going to do plausible deniability about him having a thumb drive with state secrets and say he didn't know the drive had state secrets. Because admitting to it isn't some 8 year sentence. It's life or death penalty. So why do you keep on bringing up this point as if it's relevant. And he was a **** bag Marine also.
if Whelan was set up, as he claims to have been, then his conviction is unjust on that basis: he was wrongfully accused and wrongfully convicted. That's very different than Griner's case. Now, if Whelan is in fact a spy . . . well, all bets are off.
Wtf?!? U literally posted this Especially when he hasn't attempted to make a swap for a White U.S. Marine... In the words of Obama.. "COME ON MAN!!!" u were pissed and then proceeded to just make stuff up he got Reed out…he got Griner out…if he can get Whelan out, he’ll be coming home too
Yes. But the many problems of the Russian justice system is still a different issue than the the diplomatic negotiations needed to get a prisoner swapped. In any case we are working with a broken legal system. It doesn't matter if one aspect of their system is more broken. It is the only system we can deal with in order to get a prisoner back. We are constrained by that.
and Griner pleaded guilty to those trumped up charges in the hopes that the “court system” would be lenient during sentencing the defense hopes that the plea will be considered by the court as a mitigating factor and there will be no severe sentence Given the 99% reported conviction rate in Russian criminal cases, Griner was urged to weigh all the factors, including a plea that could ultimately result in a shorter sentence. Having some vape pens in her bag? Yes, guilty. Being some drug smuggler? Like she’s Pablo Escobar or something? Ridiculous
She also is the victim of discretionary enforcement practices. She probably was doing her basic SOP of carrying these vape cartridges under the protection of whatever oligarch was sponsoring her that she did multiple times before. Her main fault was probably not "reading the room" in the sense that Putin was just beginning to invade a sovereign nation and that has a strong possibility of changing how her visits to Russia are handled.
In America that may matter... But the minute you step into another Country you are bound by their laws and rules... You are so correct.. she did the crime and pleaded guilty... Now she has to do the crime... It doesn't matter how we in America see how stupid their laws may be to us... It's their laws... When I was in the military we were always briefed on another Country laws before stepped off the base.. We had to obey their laws... T_Man
I always thought it would be interesting to ride the Siberian train to Mongolia or China. I’m not sure I’ll ever do that now. Literally scared.
