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The state of the republican party

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  1. FranchiseBlade

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    Bottom line is that an American unjustly jailed is coming home.
     
  2. Os Trigonum

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    was she unjustly jailed, or was the length and terms of her sentence unjust?
     
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    No. Bottom line is an idiot who was handed a ridiculous sentence is coming home in front of people far more deserving.

    You're deliberately being obtuse
     
  4. FranchiseBlade

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    Anyone jailed for having residue of mar1juana in a vape is unjustly jailed, IMHO.
     
  5. T_Man

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    Totally agree with you...

    She broke the law.. Period....

    It may be ok to do what ever you like here in America, but they have different rules in other countries and you have to obey those rules...

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  6. T_Man

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    You're right it is DOUBLE Standard...

    The only reason why Griner is being let go is due to the fact that all of these celebrities have come out to say it's wrong for her to be in jail... NO it's not wrong she broke the law... So now you deal an arms dealer for a basketball player that broke the law..

    Yep.. Double Standard... and by the way Yeah we as Veterans should Damn Well get special treatment... We have earned that freaking right...

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  7. fchowd0311

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    Then why do prisoner swaps exist?

    How many other Americans who we've swapped for in the past broke laws in those respective countries.

    I'm just really curious why she's the first person I've seen in the context of prisoner swaps that have been done dozens of times in the past where the narrative of personal responsibility keeps showing up?
     
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  8. T_Man

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    Yeah I do blame Biden.. He caved into celebrity BS and let an arms dealer out, so that he can create more havoc... It's not about what Putin did this time... Brittney broke the freaking law, she even stated she broke the law... So unfortunately prison in other countries are real prisons and you have to do hard time....

    There are a lot of young black men that have spent time in prison for mar1juana and they did their time... Brittney ain't that damn special, it she wasn't in the wnba no one would even care...

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  9. fchowd0311

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    No, she's being let out because the Russian state leader, Putin, made her open to swaps and no one else.

    The statement department does this. It's full of careerists. Public facing has little to nothing to do with these swaps. They are done in back channels by careerists and those people constantly probe to see if any other prisoners are open to swaps.

    And I have a suspicion why Putin said yes to Griner.
     
  10. fchowd0311

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    Schrodinger's WNBA. Entire meme culture exists about how no one cares about it yet at the same time it has enough clout to shape international prisoner swaps.
     
  11. T_Man

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    Because she plays in the WNBA and everyone is making this huge deal out of it... So now everyone wants to ignore the fact that she broke the law..

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  12. fchowd0311

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    Brah the vast majority of prisoners swaps in the past delt with people who broke some petty laws to justify a state government detaining them. And we've secured releases of many Americans in this method in the past and this is honestly the first time in seeing people b**** about personal responsibility.
     
  13. T_Man

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    Putin did the swap so that he could get his guy out...
    Both should have stayed in prison and did their time...

    There never should have been a SWAP... Period....

    It would have been different if Brittney was innocent...

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  14. Os Trigonum

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    My understanding is that she had two vape cartridges in her possession, adding up to more than .5 grams but less than 1.0 gram total. If she had had less than two grams of mar1juana in her possession, my understanding is that she might have been charged with simple mar1juana possession, which carries a sentence of 15 days.

    Instead, because it was hashish oil, the laws governing heroin and opium came into play. Because of that fact, she was charged with intent to smuggle, which carries the sentence of ten years.

    Prosecutors have discretion to select charges: compare to Kyle Rittenhouse's case, where the DA decided to charge Rittenhouse with murder instead of lesser charges such as manslaughter.

    How is the Russian prosecution's decision here to select the drug smuggling law "unjust"? the decision may have been ill-advised, unwise, politically motivated, etc. etc. etc., but none of those factors necessarily make the decision and subsequent jail term "unjust" per se. Seems to me there has to be some other kind of principle at play here that would render a decision lawfully arrived at "unjust."

    just to be clear, though, I am glad Griner has been freed and I believe the Russian laws involved here are draconian--but the laws seem to have been applied fairly, "fairly" here used in the sense of "within the letter of the law." We may not like the law or the sentence, but it seems to me our preferences alone do not dictate whether that process was "just" or "unjust."
     
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  15. T_Man

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    And brah... You can call it whatever you want and how ever you want....

    That swap should have never happened.. Biden caved in to these damn celebrities and Putin used this to his advantage to get his man back..

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    O's we are on the same page here and I totally agree with you on this one....

    She Broke the Freaking Law!!!!

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  17. fchowd0311

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    Why do you keep on thinking that Biden caved because "celebrity" rather than the most simplistic exploration that requires the least amount of assumptions (Occam's razor)... That Putin simply just had Griner open to a swap and no one else?

    Why would you assume that careerists at the state department aren't probing about the others? I mean the families of those still detained are even saying this.

    And let's discuss the politics. If Biden and the State department wanted to maximize political efficiency by satisfying to widest amount of people, who is that person going to be? The Marine or the black lesbian WNBA player?
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    So has everyone else who have been swapped before Griner.
     
  19. T_Man

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    This is the same as Michael P. Fay, when he broke the law in Singapore and was Canned....

    People were in uproar about him being caned.. Well if he hadn't broke the law, he wouldn't have been caned..

    When you go to other countries you have to obey their laws, you can't do what ever the hell you like as you do in America...

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  20. T_Man

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    Do you really think Biden would have swapped an arms dealer for a 6'9 BLACK Girl that didn't play in the WNBA???

    Especially when he hasn't attempted to make a swap for a White U.S. Marine... In the words of Obama.. "COME ON MAN!!!"

    All you see on ESPN, Yahoo, MSN.. Is Brittney Griner...

    Now here's the kicker... Whelan is said to be wrongfully in prison and Brittney is actually guilty....

    T_Man
     

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