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Warnock for President?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by jiggyfly, Dec 7, 2022.

  1. dobro1229

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    Didn't he just outperform Stacy Abrams in a state that has an electorate that is the best microcosm demographically to the entire US electoral college makeup? I like Stacy Abrams, and Ossoff, but I dunno. However that's a big reason why I'd like him to stay focused on Georgia for 6 more years. Let's see what kind of goodwill he can show and what type of long-term loyalty points he can score before thrusting him into the national election.
     
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    Whitmer/Warnock 2024 would be a good ticket.
     
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  3. JuanValdez

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    It's a good argument, but I'm still skeptical. Thinking specifically of the presidency, you're right you don't need to worry about losing votes to bias in conservative states you were never going to win anyway. But even among liberal states and liberal voters in liberal states, you still have a headwind of subconscious racial bias. There is the countervailing dynamic of motivating black voters, but it may or may not be the larger effect. Obama's success is a good anecdote, but still just anecdote. He had many good qualities that interplayed in dynamic fashion. It's too simplistic to say that his race was a net positive or a net negative. It's even harder to project from that lesson to say race will have the same effect for some other candidate. Likewise, I don't have great data for my skepticism. I'm just cynical about people. How about this: not being able to tell if the race dynamic will help or hurt you, focus on the other qualities of a candidate and ignore his race. Look for smart, wise, energetic people, charismatic speakers with good organization and leadership qualities. Capable candidates will be able to figure out a way to blunt the bias against them and leverage the bias that favors them and win elections.
     
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    I had not thought about that, and it makes sense, but then I remember that Kamala had issues with the left, but that could be an outlier since she was working for "The Man" as a prosecutor.
     
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    This is not true they are the reason Biden, Warnock, Fetterman and others have won.

    No need to try and paint all republicans with a broad brush.
     
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    This is the reason I am bullish on Warnock he rings the bell on all of that plus he is black.
     
  7. No Worries

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    Keeping the brush narrow ... limited to crazy wingnut domestic terrorists ... work for me :D
     
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  8. jiggyfly

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    These races are all about the margin so you need candidates that will get them engaged and to actually vote, Trump took care of all of that, but the next candidate is going to have to energize them without Trump or Roe.
     
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    People that believe in that kind of stuff are probably not ever voting for a Democrat and most would probably never vote for a black person, those types are not the ones you would need to win that's already baked into the equation.
     
  10. jiggyfly

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    Something about Whitmer is off I think she would suffer from the same thing that Hillary does, she just does not look very comfortable when she is speaking she always comes off as a politician.

    She is bit stilted and rigid and I know this is shallow but something is going on with her face looks like she had work and you can tell, should not matter but it does.

    She comes off as kind of waspy or patrician.
     
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    I see a governor who won reelection in a competitive region/state that Democrats need to win. She might be doing something right.
     
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    Never said she was doing anything wrong, I don't have anything really against her just going off from what my feelings are when I see her on TV and I am not anywhere near a woman hater or particular.

    I think I am pretty middle of the road so I think others would get the same vibes.

    She would probably make a great president, I just don't see how she would make it through a primary, she would be like Klobuchar.
     
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    Elections are always about the voters at the margins. If you're a swing voter looking at Warnock, you might see an upstanding gentleman who served his God and his community and trust he will continue to do so in higher office. Or you might see a cynical political operator who uses the language of Christianity to put the interests of his racial minority above the general welfare of the whole population. The voter is the same middle-of-the-road voter who can as easily vote Democrat as Republican, but how he perceives the candidates can be colored by arguments and insinuations by both parties. A Republican presidential campaign isn't going to just let him use that Pastor title to win people's trust. They'll poison it enough to make some swing voters wonder that maybe it's not so great that he's a pastor.
     
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    He left a lot to be desired on the debate stage.
     
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    I think in the democratic party it will come down to Warnock and Newsome. Neither is worth a damn but no politician is so...
     
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    Interesting, I did not even look at his debates.
     
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    I can't see Newsome ever getting a lot of support, he is just too oily.
     
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    Otay!
     
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    Exactly, he's a prototypical cookie cutter politician, those guys do great with layman voters.
     
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    I think since the rise of trump people have started looking a little closer at politicians at least I hope so.:(
     

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