My theory u=is that because of his mature, professional approach since he was in HS, he went through his breakout, adjustment and Sophomore Slumps in the first season. This would mean a better than typical second season.
Interesting. I’d have done 5/135 or 140, so that deal makes sense in the standpoint of everyone seems to be getting an extra year plus 2 or 3 AAV
Of course teams can ask for Brown. They'd be foolish not to. That said, one poster on here (and we all know who he is) doesn't just include Brown in hypothetical trades he conjures up but he obviously appears to endorse these trades (Murphy for example) and thinks the team would be better off pulling the trigger on such a crazy trade. We just won the WS with a catcher who hits below the Mendoza line. Why were we able to do that? Because of our dominant pitching!!! Elite pitching doesn't grow on trees. It's extremely hard to find and without it you're not going anywhere. I know we've only seen the tip of the iceberg on Brown but what we've seen thus far of him the Astros would be CRAZY to trade him and for a catcher that has only three more yrs of control. Um that's not just a no but a HELL NO!!! And you're going to trade Brown to a division rival??? So again teams can certainly ask for Brown to be included in a proposed trade but we can also hang up the phone and walk away.
I would rather have Danny Jansen or Alejandro Kirk than Sean Murphy. One of them should be available and the asking price won't be nearly as much. But my greatest hope is that Korey Lee develops into a first rate catcher. I think we should still give that a chance.
I'm fine disagreeing with trading Brown, I do to. But plenty of other people are conjuring these magical trade proposals that don't include him. Brown is all we have to acquire a talent like Reynolds or Murphy, at least his are feasible even if you disagree. The other people making the dumbass candy land proposals bother me more.
You conveniently did not mention the "695 career OPS" part of my post when berating me for using a small sample size. Talk about a small sample size !! You didn't even use the whole sentence
Vazquez is not a very good hitter, although he's decent for a catcher. He reminds me of a younger Maldy although he gets his value through slap hitting versus the occasional walk/bomb for Maldy.
I totally agree with you. I don't care for the fantasy land trade ideas either. I am just bullish on Hunter Brown. I don't blame the A's for what they are asking for. I just don't want to be the ones who pay it.
LOL I'm right here. I really don't understand the vitriol. The Astros traded away Joe Musgrove, who went on to be a ToR SP, far better than what Hunter Brown is likely to do. I don't see anyone citing that as some huge mistake. You've got to give up good prospects if you want to make meaningful improvements to the roster via trade. I don't necessarily advocate trading for Murphy, although I do see him as a significant upgrade over Maldonado/Lee. I think Murphy is an excellent, star-level player with multiple years of cheap team control, and I'm realistic enough to know that the only way to acquire a player like that via trade is to include valuable assets. Hunter Brown is essentially the only prospect Houston has who qualifies as the primary piece in a trade like that. If you're not including Hunter Brown, and you're not willing to include an established young player like Luis Garcia, then you're essentially against making meaningful trades. Again, that's fine, but I don't understand the anger toward me when all I'm doing is putting out a possible avenue to improve the roster (and I really don't understand the veiled insults like I'm some kind of bad guy or dumbass, especially seeing those comments not come as a direct reply or tag).
This narrative that Dusty did not play Vasquez the amazing hitter doesn't hold facts. From August 1st the trade deadline: Maldonado had 117 plate appearances with .641 OPS. Vasquez had 108 plate appearances with .585 OPS. They were virtually 50/50 split on the team and Maldonado outperformed him. While I'm not against Vasquez returning I don't think it should be for more than a two-year deal with the fact he'll be splitting time which he does not want. We may be able to get just as good of production out of our young catchers if we give them some time. And for the few of you that think Murphy isn't that great of a catcher from the same date in August 1st he had 232 plate appearances with approximately an .800 OPS on a team with absolutely zero protection and nothing to play for. I personally would not trade Brown he may in fact become an ace. And Aces are more coveted than the top three catcher in the league. So either trade for a different catcher or hold on and wait. The A's have a couple of young catchers that they are very excited about they'll eventually move Murphy. The Braves have several young catchers they're very excited about they'll probably move one of their guys at some point. But in the meantime Lee is still developing and may do exactly what we need him to do just be serviceable.
Snake when you make trade proposals I always feel like you are saying what the other team is actually going to be asking for. To me it may be too much but it's probably correct. I don't know why people take it personally that you are just trying to suppose what the asking price will be. A couple days ago when you said they would want Brown and Garcia I said if that's the case then let's move on there's no other catchers they're going to move the needle the rest of the league is full of guys that don't hit for much of anything. Just keep on posting and we'll keep on ignoring the hate.
Man, after the Astros totally dominated thru the playoffs any viable playoff team from 2022 is loading up their roster for a run next year. I would like another SP and OF/DH via FA vs what we have on the roster. I felt Hinch & Luhnow were the best combo the org has ever known but the fact we have replaced the majority of players the last 6 years and are still so competitive I will concede Crane has a good handle on the ops of the FO and player system. And the players we have now, so if we don't make a move right now then we are still highly competitive to start the year and make prudent moves as we go.
I would not move any pitcher from our rotation except McCullers and probably not him unless I had reason to expect breakouts from Whitley and or Abreu. (a possible expectation if you have an insiders perspective) He brings quality and relatively inexpensive years of control. He also comes with considerable injury risk. For a team that really needed pitching he could be a good and possibly great get if he can avoid injury. I do not expect him to make the Astros post season rotation in 23 or thereafter. He could be the best multi inning fireman or opener in the league if a trade for him does not yield the result you hoped for.
