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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ItsMyFault, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Amiga

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    She started an organization that is translating climate information (primary English) into non-English languages.

    Sophia Kianni: Language shouldn't be a barrier to climate action | TED Talk

    https://www.climatecardinals.org/
    Climate Cardinals is an international youth-led nonprofit working to make the climate movement more accessible to those who don’t speak English. We aim to educate and empower a diverse coalition of people to tackle the climate crisis. We have over 9,000 volunteers who are translating and sourcing climate information into over 100 languages. To date, this international movement spans 41 countries and has reached over 500,000 people with over 750,000 words of climate information translated.

    Climate Cardinals was first envisioned by Sophia Kianni, who realized the need for climate translation while on a trip to Iran in middle school. Sophia was shocked when she saw that the pollution in Iran was so bad she couldn’t see the stars at night. The more she read online about the climate in the Middle East, the more alarmed she became. The Middle East is currently facing a climate crisis with temperatures in the region rising more than twice the global average. Sophia brought up these concerns to her relatives but was shocked when they informed her that they knew almost nothing about climate change.

    Determined to educate them, Sophia began to pore over climate research, but she had to translate information into Farsi to help her relatives understand after realizing there was a lack of scientific literature available in languages other than English. After reading Sophia’s translations, her relatives have changed their habits over the past few years, reducing their use of cars and shopping more sustainably.

    Through her experiences, Sophia has seen that there is more the climate movement can be doing to support individuals such as her relatives. She hopes that other students will join the Climate Cardinals team and translate information so that every person, regardless of the language they speak, can learn about the climate crisis.


    William Briggs continues to focus on his do nothing forever (the uncertainty climate philosophy for suckers) and attacks young activists. He has a great resume and is worthy of sharing his wonderful thoughts on climate:

    - work for anti-climate lobbying group
    - published a "simplistic model" on climate that has fundamental errors and was wrong in its conclusion
     
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    good one
     
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    She is absolutely gorgeous (and Iranian too - wonder how Iran deals with her). As for her engagement with the UN - she has contributed to climate issues in a significant way with her organization (prev post).
     
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    Is it possible to see know the Earth's surface temperature from way back? Earth is 4.5 billion years old. I don't know if it's even possible to get a longer-term trend.
     
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    graph-from-scott-wing-620px.png

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    Umm, that's not a good way of looking at things. The earth also once had a 2000 degrees surface temperature for instance.
     
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    The Earth's temperature has been constant for the last 8,000 years and is now changing at one of the most rapid rates in the last few billion years. That's something to take into consideration.
     
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    More info > less info

    That's interesting. Seems like the Earth's temperature changes in drastic and substantial ways with or without humans. That doesn't mean that the change caused by humans is negligible* but as someone who's not especially knowledgeable in this area it's good to know.

    *It is negligible for the earth itself, but not so much for the life currently on it.
     
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    The problem with the graphs presented by @Os Trigonum is that it leads to the wrong conclusions.

    "The Earth temperature has varied far more in the past so it's not a big deal now"

    You aren't getting more info, you are getting biased info. The full story is that the RATE of temperature change is as or more important that the actual change. If the Earth warms 10 degrees over a million years, that rate of change is not nearly as devastating as 10 degrees over 100 years.

    Human life is adopted to a very specific global temperature. Changes that are rapid will result in a global ecosystem that changes faster than is economically possible to adjust to. Ultimately this is about technology and cost - can we develop tech in time and mitigate the costs to a point where it doesn't drive the planet into crisis. Time is a key factor in that.
     
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    The graphs are just graphs. I disagree with the statement, "you are getting biased info."

    One source is the United States government at https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/whats-hottest-earths-ever-been and the other source is https://scitechdaily.com/global-tem...-years-show-todays-warming-unprecedented/amp/.

    Can the graphs lead to a "wrong conclusion"? yes, but that's on the person interpreting the graph.
     
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    It actually is a bad way to look at info. Basic college math and statistics courses have those fun y slides in the first day of classes showing how easy it is to manipulate data when you alter the x and y axis data set range.
     
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    I suppose it would be more correct to say the data itself isn't biased, rather the way it's being presented
     
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    Must have been those humans with their CO2 emissions who caused the drastic change from that.
     
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    when presenting information there is ALWAYS a bias, it is trivially true to acknowledge that
     
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    Perhaps in political debates, but in scientific ones the full picture is to be presented and key questions or pushback addressed.
     

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