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  1. Andre0087

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    175 SC Rep Chris Corley - domestic violence
     
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    1. Thread: THE TWITTER FILES

    2. What you’re about to read is the first installment in a series, based upon thousands of internal documents obtained by sources at Twitter.

    3. The “Twitter Files” tell an incredible story from inside one of the world’s largest and most influential social media platforms. It is a Frankensteinian tale of a human-built mechanism grown out the control of its designer.

    4. Twitter in its conception was a brilliant tool for enabling instant mass communication, making a true real-time global conversation possible for the first time.

    5. In an early conception, Twitter more than lived up to its mission statement, giving people “the power to create and share ideas and information instantly, without barriers.”

    6. As time progressed, however, the company was slowly forced to add those barriers. Some of the first tools for controlling speech were designed to combat the likes of spam and financial fraudsters.

    7. Slowly, over time, Twitter staff and executives began to find more and more uses for these tools. Outsiders began petitioning the company to manipulate speech as well: first a little, then more often, then constantly.

    8. By 2020, requests from connected actors to delete tweets were routine. One executive would write to another: “More to review from the Biden team.” The reply would come back: “Handled.”
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    9. Celebrities and unknowns alike could be removed or reviewed at the behest of a political party:
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    10.Both parties had access to these tools. For instance, in 2020, requests from both the Trump White House and the Biden campaign were received and honored. However:

    11. This system wasn't balanced. It was based on contacts. Because Twitter was and is overwhelmingly staffed by people of one political orientation, there were more channels, more ways to complain, open to the left (well, Democrats) than the right. https://t.co/sa1uVRNhuH
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    12. The resulting slant in content moderation decisions is visible in the documents you’re about to read. However, it’s also the assessment of multiple current and former high-level executives.

    Okay, there was more throat-clearing about the process, but screw it, let's jump forward

    16. The Twitter Files, Part One: How and Why Twitter Blocked the Hunter Biden Laptop Story

    17. On October 14, 2020, the New York Post published BIDEN SECRET EMAILS, an expose based on the contents of Hunter Biden’s abandoned laptop:

    18. Twitter took extraordinary steps to suppress the story, removing links and posting warnings that it may be “unsafe.” They even blocked its transmission via direct message, a tool hitherto reserved for extreme cases, e.g. child p*rnography.

    19. White House spokeswoman Kaleigh McEnany was locked out of her account for tweeting about the story, prompting a furious letter from Trump campaign staffer Mike Hahn, who seethed: “At least pretend to care for the next 20 days.”
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    20.This led public policy executive Caroline Strom to send out a polite WTF query. Several employees noted that there was tension between the comms/policy teams, who had little/less control over moderation, and the safety/trust teams:
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    21. Strom’s note returned the answer that the laptop story had been removed for violation of the company’s “hacked materials” policy: https://t.co/EdTa2xbXn1
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    22. Although several sources recalled hearing about a “general” warning from federal law enforcement that summer about possible foreign hacks, there’s no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story. In fact, that might have been the problem...

    23. The decision was made at the highest levels of the company, but without the knowledge of CEO Jack Dorsey, with former head of legal, policy and trust Vijaya Gadde playing a key role.

    24. “They just freelanced it,” is how one former employee characterized the decision. “Hacking was the excuse, but within a few hours, pretty much everyone realized that wasn’t going to hold. But no one had the guts to reverse it.”

    25.You can see the confusion in the following lengthy exchange, which ends up including Gadde and former Trust and safety chief Yoel Roth. Comms official Trenton Kennedy writes, “I'm struggling to understand the policy basis for marking this as unsafe”:
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    26. By this point “everyone knew this was ****ed,” said one former employee, but the response was essentially to err on the side of… continuing to err.
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    27. Former VP of Global Comms Brandon Borrman asks, “Can we truthfully claim that this is part of the policy?”
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    28. To which former Deputy General Counsel Jim Baker again seems to advise staying the non-course, because “caution is warranted”:
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    29. A fundamental problem with tech companies and content moderation: many people in charge of speech know/care little about speech, and have to be told the basics by outsiders. To wit:

    30. In one humorous exchange on day 1, Democratic congressman Ro Khanna reaches out to Gadde to gently suggest she hop on the phone to talk about the “backlash re speech.” Khanna was the only Democratic official I could find in the files who expressed concern.
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    Gadde replies quickly, immediately diving into the weeds of Twitter policy, unaware Khanna is more worried about the Bill of Rights:
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    32.Khanna tries to reroute the conversation to the First Amendment, mention of which is generally hard to find in the files:
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    33.Within a day, head of Public Policy Lauren Culbertson receives a ghastly letter/report from Carl Szabo of the research firm NetChoice, which had already polled 12 members of congress – 9 Rs and 3 Democrats, from “the House Judiciary Committee to Rep. Judy Chu’s office.”
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    34.NetChoice lets Twitter know a “blood bath” awaits in upcoming Hill hearings, with members saying it's a "tipping point," complaining tech has “grown so big that they can’t even regulate themselves, so government may need to intervene.”
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    35.Szabo reports to Twitter that some Hill figures are characterizing the laptop story as “tech’s Access Hollywood moment”:
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    36.Twitter files continued: "THE FIRST AMENDMENT ISN’T ABSOLUTE”
    Szabo’s letter contains chilling passages relaying Democratic lawmakers’ attitudes. They want “more” moderation, and as for the Bill of Rights, it's "not absolute"

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    An amazing subplot of the Twitter/Hunter Biden laptop affair was how much was done without the knowledge of CEO Jack Dorsey, and how long it took for the situation to get "un****ed" (as one ex-employee put it) even after Dorsey jumped in.

    While reviewing Gadde's emails, I saw a familiar name - my own. Dorsey sent her a copy of my Substack article blasting the incident
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    There are multiple instances in the files of Dorsey intervening to question suspensions and other moderation actions, for accounts across the political spectrum.

    The problem with the "hacked materials" ruling, several sources said, was that this normally required an official/law enforcement finding of a hack. But such a finding never appears throughout what one executive describes as a "whirlwind" 24-hour, company-wide mess.
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    It's been a whirlwind 96 hours for me, too. There is much more to come, including answers to questions about issues like shadow-banning, boosting, follower counts, the fate of various individual accounts, and more. These issues are not limited to the political right.
     
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    I don’t quite understand what Taibbi is saying here. Hunter Biden’s personal data was taken from his laptop without his consent and published online. How is disseminating links to that personal data not a violation of his personal privacy? I can easily see the argument that the hacked data policy would apply here.
     
  6. Amiga

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    So, no gov involvement but just a general warning, as have been reported before.

    "22. Although several sources recalled hearing about a “general” warning from federal law enforcement that summer about possible foreign hacks, there’s no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story. In fact, that might have been the problem..."
     
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    Okay, to be fair, read through the Taibbi tweet storm, and as expected, its not very interesting.

    Reminds me quite a bit of where I work, where a company has an "issue" and there is no process to handle it, so it gets kicked around to different people to see if anyone wants to own it, it landed wherever it landed, whoever made a call, and that was pretty much it. It blows up, higher ups get involved, and fall into the same trap of not having a process, so its gets butter fingered around some more.

    No real scandal, just typical big business process BS, that just happens to be a triggering event for the snowflakes on the right. As Taibbi notes, the actual story is a nothing burger.

    Much like the Durham investigation its good to finally have the real story and confirming no big scandal.
     
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    See Mr. Ro Khanna's argument in 32.
     
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    websites are owned and moderated by the people who own them.
    More at 11

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    Looks like I misunderstood the meaning of this part during the live tweeting:

    “22. Although several sources recalled hearing about a “general” warning from federal law enforcement that summer about possible foreign hacks, there’s no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story. In fact, that might have been the problem...”

    I think he’s saying there’s no evidence that governments were involved in leaking Hunter Biden story. I initially read it as meaning there’s no evidence that government was involved in Twitter’s actions to suppress the story. Though, at least so far, that evidence if it exists hasn’t yet been revealed.
     
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  13. Amiga

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    It shows the difficulty of making these decisions (and you can sense the responsibility and heaviness of how it may impact speech vs election interference - ref 2016 and impact on Twitter).
     
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    I like Khanna, and I’m glad to see him take what appears to be a balanced and principled stance here behind the scenes.
     
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  15. Amiga

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    You can read it both ways. The US gov provides a general warning (reported before). The US gov didn't mention the laptop story (also reported before).
     
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    I'm grunching this thread, so apologies, but that's modern interpretation of the 1st Amendment (50+ years or so). CNN, Fox, Twitter, Facebook, Google, NYT, NYP...they all have 1st amendment rights in regards to what to publish/display/promote/suppress. No government, public voice, nor other individual can control those decisions, unless you decide to buy the company.
     
  18. Amiga

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    I hope that means Elon will cc the world in all Twitters activity involving content modulation. :D
     
  19. IBTL

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    Whenever clutch bans someone the argument is that it's clutch site and he can do what he wants.
    How is this different?
    Are website owners not allowed to moderate as they see fit?
     
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