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[Yahoo] Non-binary Biden nuclear official charged with stealing woman's luggage at airport

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Nov 29, 2022.

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  3. FranchiseBlade

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    Why is this person's preferred pronouns even an issue? It causes nobody any grief to use pronouns the person wishes they would use.

    The only issue is that this person perhaps attempted to steal luggage.
     
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  4. Os Trigonum

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    on pronouns

    Bending Gender’s Rules, in Life and in German Grammar
    The victory of Kim de l’Horizon, a nonbinary writer, in a top literary prize stirred a debate about how the German language can accommodate people who don’t identify as male or female.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/30/books/kim-de-l-horizon-german-book-prize.html?smid=url-share

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    Much of that conversation has centered on language: Unlike English, German has no equivalent to “they/them” for a personal pronoun, and most nouns referring to people are gendered as male or female. Although the author largely uses “Kim” in lieu of a pronoun, some commentators have insisted on using gendered pronouns in reviews and news media discussions. . . .

    Attempts to find a gender-inclusive pronoun equivalent to “they/them” are also complicated by the fact that the German equivalent to “they” (“sie”) sounds identical to the formal form of “you” (“Sie”) and the word for “she”(“sie”). Carolin Müller-Spitzer, a professor of linguistics the Leibniz Institute for the German Language, in Mannheim, said that adapting existing pronouns “doesn’t work in German, so we need to create something new. And creating a new pronoun is difficult.”
    more at the link

     
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  5. AroundTheWorld

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    yes, and the most ridiculous contortions have been attempted

    it's all bullshit

    what if I want a special pronoun so that everyone acknowledges my biracial background, and if people don't use it, I feel violated?!

    this is all bullshit

    if someone gets their feelings hurt because of being addressed with the pronoun that fits what they objectively are, that's too bad for them

    the idea that everyone else has to accommodate every other person's subjective sensitivities all the time is stupid
     
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    Are there pronouns that address race? Pronouns addressing gender has like always been a thing.

    Seems like another slippery slope argument. Anyways, your obsession with this is also part.ofwhy I think you are fascist like. Normal healthy adults don't obsess over the fear of having to call a trans person "they"
     
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    fascist fascist fascist

    everything fchowd doesn't agree with is fascist

    lol
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Yes in my narrow scope of humans who are addicted to the fear of misgendering on a NBA team fan message board and b****ed for a decade about foreign migrants on same NBA team fan message board...

    Like do you actually think you are normal or something?
     
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    A person’s preferred name (even if unconventional) is subjective, and I assume you don’t have a problem with using that. So, why is it such an irritation to use their preferred pronouns, if they happen to be unconventional and they make it known to you?

    I think people that publicly declare unconventional pronouns should be somewhat forgiving if others don’t use them. But intentionally referring to someone as a particular gender when you know they don’t identify with that gender, particularly if they personally request that you not do so, does seem dickish.
     
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    It's also dickish to expect other people to address me in a specific way just to accommodate my personal sensitivities.

    Yes, if a guy asks me to call him "she", I would try to avoid calling him "he", but I can still quietly find it ridiculous.
     
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    Have you ever considered this is just a "you problem" and that you need to learn to deal with it?

    Why does it bother you? Do we need to analyze you childhood or something to understand why this is such a major issue for you? Like we're you delving into transgenderism as a child or had some bad traumatic experience with it and it shapes your views to the point you spend hours on a NBA team message board concerned about this?
     
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    It isn't dickies to ask people to address you in a way that is comforting for you. It isn't harder to say the word "he" than it is to say the word "she" or vice versa.

    It literally causes no hardship or pain to call anyone whichever pronouns they want. Why would anyone care? It is a strange thing for folks to be upset about.
     
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    Do you think it's ridiculous for all trans people, or just the ones you suspect are not actually trans but are pretending to be because they think it's fashionable or whatever?
     
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    Probably will say something along the lines about all of it being a mental illness....


    Then spam memes making fun of a what he claims is a mental illness while not doing the same type of punching down and bellitling for other types of mental illnesses because he probably doesn't actually care and uses the term "mental illness" as a way to dismiss their existence rather than sincerely believing it's a mental illness or else his discourse about it would completely be different unless this is how he handles all "mental illnesses".

    Hey ATW, where are your schizophrenia memes?
     
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    So if I ask you to address me as "Your Highness" in every single post from now on, because that would be a hell of a lot more comforting for me, and you don't - that's really dickish of you, isn't it?
     
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    lol
     
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    That's a fair question - my main point is - the burden should not be on everyone else to comfort subjective, individual preferences. I guess the default is that I address people as what they appear to be. That's just normal human pattern recognition, not an insult.

    So yeah, if someone explicitly asks me to address him/her as a he/she, ok - I agree that deliberately ignoring the request or mocking it to the person or whatever would be mean. But if one accidentally slips (because of normal human pattern recognition), that shouldn't be taken as some kind of violation or whatever. And please do not expect me to address you as several people when you are one person.
     
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    Your Highness is more difficult to type. But in an actual conversation, I would. That would be hilarious. I would love it.

    By the way, monarchy and nobility is an old hobby of mine. I love it. It would be cooler if you asked me to address you as Viscount. But either way would be a blast.
     
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    Please address me as "Count" from now on. Short enough. And no typos please!
     
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    You know this is going to be a thing in a few more years.
     
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