1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Astros Off Season

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Nov 7, 2022.

  1. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,791
    Likes Received:
    17,159
    I agree. I don't see them spending real money on anybody else.
     
  2. jiggyfly

    jiggyfly Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    21,011
    Likes Received:
    16,856
    So analytics has not helped us with players that have over performed when they signed with us?

    Why is not as important when signing veteran players?
     
  3. robbie380

    robbie380 ლ(▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿ლ)
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Messages:
    23,961
    Likes Received:
    11,101
    He's pitched in 2 playoff games and faced 17 batters. He was bad in those outings, but that's pretty close to no sample size.
     
    everyday eddie likes this.
  4. robbie380

    robbie380 ლ(▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿ლ)
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2002
    Messages:
    23,961
    Likes Received:
    11,101
    No one is saying he is better lol

    Anyhow....we aren't signing him so it doesn't matter :cool:
     
  5. YOLO

    YOLO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2012
    Messages:
    46,688
    Likes Received:
    44,892
    he sucked, regardless
     
  6. YOLO

    YOLO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2012
    Messages:
    46,688
    Likes Received:
    44,892
    the op i replied to literally said he can easily be better, which isn't happening
     
  7. J_Hunter_1977

    J_Hunter_1977 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,811
    Likes Received:
    4,863
    Crane is not messing around and going for it. I could totally see them spending on another contract. They are about 35 mil below the tier one tax.
     
  8. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,681
    Likes Received:
    16,205
    Sure - JV had one significant injury that kept him out for 2 years that he's fully recovered from. Weirdly, you picked that exact time frame for your comparison. One of those years, each pitched 7 innings or less. This year, Rodon started more games simply due to the Astros 6 man rotation but basically they pitched equal innings and JV was far better.

    Prior to that, Rodon has managed:

    2021; 24 starts, 132 innings
    2020: 2 starts, 7 innings
    2019: 7 starts, 34 innings
    2018: 20 starts, 120 innings
    2017: 12 starts, 70 innings
    2016: 28 starts, 168 innings
    2015: 23 starts, 140 innings

    That's not the resume of a pitcher that's likely to stay healthy. During that 7 year stretch, Verlander pitched 170+ innings 4 times, with 3 of those being over 210. And JV's been better than Rodon in basically every year of their careers except 2021, when JV didn't pitch.

    JV is healthier, better, and likely cheaper (in terms of deal length). Not sure what the argument for Rodon over JV would be.
     
  9. Marshall Bryant

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2018
    Messages:
    10,457
    Likes Received:
    6,193
    I do not trust anyone. Half their stories are either purely speculative or planted by agents.

    Nudged a little toward believable with confirmation. It will be interesting to see the details if true.

    I'm still catching up. I've been out of touch, so give me a break.
     
    #2809 Marshall Bryant, Nov 30, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2022
  10. Jose Cuervo

    Jose Cuervo Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2022
    Messages:
    1,207
    Likes Received:
    1,376
    It's true. Jose Abreu is an Astro.

    [​IMG]
     
    Marshall Bryant and Madmanmetz like this.
  11. jiggyfly

    jiggyfly Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2015
    Messages:
    21,011
    Likes Received:
    16,856
    Wut?
     
    jakedasnake and mikol13 like this.
  12. CisBuds4U

    CisBuds4U Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    6,207
    Likes Received:
    2,166
    lol !
     
    mikol13 and Marshall Bryant like this.
  13. Madmanmetz

    Madmanmetz Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2012
    Messages:
    2,164
    Likes Received:
    2,592
    And most of us have celebrated like it was almost another World Series victory guaranteed.
     
    Marshall Bryant likes this.
  14. Yordan The Great

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2019
    Messages:
    6,677
    Likes Received:
    9,243
    That's a damn lie.

    I asked if he would be a better VALUE? Then you came back with a blanket JV is a better pitcher and did a drive by post. Like a child. I even had to reply to that explaining as much because you obviously didn't get the point.

    I never even hinted that he was a better pitcher.

    Jesus, you're insufferable.
     
  15. Madmanmetz

    Madmanmetz Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2012
    Messages:
    2,164
    Likes Received:
    2,592
    Pass granted because we know you were off at a funeral hope everything else went well
     
    Jose Cuervo likes this.
  16. YOLO

    YOLO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2012
    Messages:
    46,688
    Likes Received:
    44,892
    Tf are you talking about. that isn't even talking about you. Did your post say exactly what was bolded? No. There was another post that I was talking about that did though. Learn to keep up with the right lines of posts being quoted before being so dramatic

    not everything is about you. calm down
     
    #2816 YOLO, Nov 30, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2022
  17. Marshall Bryant

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2018
    Messages:
    10,457
    Likes Received:
    6,193
    We got back about 30 minutes ago. We came back with a pocket dog that belonged to my Aunt. I'm glad to look foolish with this outcome. Please make me look foolish again with JV. Interesting,

    My Aunt played piano for her own funeral via the CD she made about 10 years ago. She had a distinctive style no one can reproduce. My Grandfather was never noted to be musical, but his three daughters were a Julliard Soprano and two outstanding pianists, my mother and my Aunt who just passed to glory.
     
    #2817 Marshall Bryant, Nov 30, 2022
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2022
  18. J_Hunter_1977

    J_Hunter_1977 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2017
    Messages:
    3,811
    Likes Received:
    4,863
    I came across a few Astros' groups on Facebook. On the posts concerning us signing Abreu, about 90% of the comments are basically along the lines of "We don't want or need him we want Yuli back, Click would never have allowed this!!" I never really realized how many casuals are in the Astros' fan base, absolutely no knowledge of baseball. Lol
     
  19. Marshall Bryant

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2018
    Messages:
    10,457
    Likes Received:
    6,193
    I also like Jose (from Altuve) and Abreu (from Bryan) as just another perfect fit.
     
    J_Hunter_1977 likes this.
  20. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,730
    Likes Received:
    10,978
    How about Jose (from Cruz) and Abreu (from Bobby) oh what could have been.
     
    Marshall Bryant likes this.

Share This Page