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To extend KPJ or not?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Lachard Binkley, Jul 29, 2022.

  1. PatBev

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    I challenge most to go look at other PG under 24 and see that KPJ turnover numbers aren’t that far off.

    Most younger points have 3,4,5 a game. Trae & Murray had 3 &4 a piece. Shai & Giddy had 3 & 4. Lebron had 9 last night against the Spurs lol

    If KPJ 3pt would have been falling the past 2 games his stats would have looked really good along side Green, Jabari, & Sengun going with two W’s
     
  2. YaoMac09

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    Feels like we’re trying to force Bradley Beal into James Harden with KPJ. Ironically (or not) he’s better focusing on scoring and starting his attacks off-ball. I hate that we don’t have a competent PG on the roster (or at least have Green/Senglajuwon initiate more). It’s holding everyone back, especially KPJ.

    And the thing is though, likely this time next year KPJ is not going to be running point / dominating the ball anyways because we are either going to have a new top PG prospect or Wemby. Does this whole experiment feel like a complete waste to anyone else?
     
  3. Reeko

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    Now what’s their turnover rate in comparison to KPJ?

    Dejaunte and Shai’s turnover rate is just 11%…Trae’s is 12

    KPJ’s meanwhile is 18% while generating just 6 assists a game and an inefficient 19 points
     
  4. PatBev

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    7% ain’t that bad lol compared to Dejounte & Shai who are several years older. Dejounte was a nobody on the spurs at 22. Same with Shai. Shai is having his breakthrough now at 24

    Again I’m not saying KPJ is equivalent to them as PG but we can’t really do **** until the draft. Id give up a lot to get Shai on the Rockets. A lot.
     
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  5. Reeko

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    Shai averaged 24, 5, and 6 on 51/42/81 splits at age 22…he wasn’t a nobody, he was already putting up star level production and was light years better than KPJ

    Shai is going from star to superstar this year…KPJ has yet to reach average starter status

    to have a 7% higher turnover rate than someone like Shai who is the focus of the entire defense and has way more offensive responsibility is pretty bad

    KPJ has had an 18% turnover rate since he’s been in Houston…that’s even higher than Westbrook in OKC
     
  6. Reeko

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    what’s crazy is that KPJ has just a slightly higher amount of touches and time of possession than Shai, yet one averages 30+ points and turns it over far less

    what’s even crazier is the fact that their time of possession and amount of touches is even close
     
  7. PatBev

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    I’ll shut up now. You hit me with facts and numbers
     
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    Shai also had a year of learning under CP3

    KPJ had a barely commuted John Wall and Silas. We did a real disservice not getting a veteran point guard
     
  9. Easy

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    That's how I see it too. I think a Green-Porter starting backcourt could work provided that we don't let KPJ free-wheeling the offense. I've thought Sengun can be the guy. But it might be too difficult to fit the whole team around him. Lately Green surprisingly does well. It's only a small sample, so we'll see. If he continues to shine as a playmaker the rest of the season, we can give him the key.
     
  10. Reeko

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    he did, but Shai has always been a high BBIQ player who’s methodical and plays at his own pace…game looks like it slowed down for Shai before he even entered the league

    KPJ just ain’t got it like that

    young Jamal Crawford could’ve had a year of tutelage under CP3, and I still doubt most people would have wanted him as their starting PG
     
  11. clutchdabear

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    "there are no PGs in the league anymore
    We are playing two combo guards like Atlanta, Golden State, Boston, pretty much everyone"

    lol. First, the excuse was that KPJ is only in his second year learning the PG position so naturally he was going to be bad his first year on the job. Now that we can all clearly see he sucks at being a PG, the excuse is that the PG position doesn't exist anymore.

    While I do hope that KPJ can eventually find a role off-ball on this team, what if he fails at that too? What's going to be the excuse then?
     
  12. Reeko

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    goal posts must be moved

    we’re just playing 2 combo guards yet one has 20 more touches and almost 3 more minutes of time of possession than the other

    KPJ averages more touches than SGA, Fox and Trae, and barely less than the likes of Ja Morant…he is 8th in the NBA in time of possession

    what these KPJ fans fail to realize is that a lot of these scoring PG’s can still run an offense and create good scoring opportunities for themselves or the team on a consistent basis…they’re not out there running around clueless just dribbling with no purpose

    even mid-tier scoring PG’s like Jalen Brunson do it way better than KPJ
     
  13. Reeko

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    KPJ right now is playing around the level of 17-18 D’angelo Russell
     
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    Lol at KPJ and SGA in the same sentence. Beyond ridiculous
     
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    Yeah, I think Porter knows that the refs aren't giving him the benefit of the doubt on anything, he'd be the one getting ejected if he reacts to that. Good on him letting it go .... good on his teammates for checking them when it continued.

    Straight disrespect by Murray, if he'd have done that to me in the gym, I'd have went nuclear ...

    If the Hawks aren't doing that along with the other altercation between Murray & Jabari later, the Rockets probably don't win that game. That lit a fire under their collective asses .... They weren't having that shiit .... the Hawks got what they deserved, I hope that L costs them playoff seeding at seasons end.
     
  16. J.R.

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    We might need a Kevin Porter Jr. excuse tracking thread like we have for Silas @ashleyem

    “It’s just his first year in Houston”
    “It’s just his second year in Houston”
    “It’s just his third year in Houston”
    “It’s just his first year playing PG”
    “It’s just his second year playing PG”
    “It’s just his third year playing PG”
    “He’s just 21”
    “He’s just 22”
    “Silas is setting him up to fail”

    The latest…
    “His FG%/shooting sucks because he has to play PG”
    “Lotsa new players”
    “It’s a combo guard league/no more PGs”

    [​IMG]
     
  17. jordnnnn

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    The question we have to ask ourselves in the face of this insurmountable evidence though is…who cares?
     
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    BRUNSON IS LIKE MICHAEL JORDAN FOR kpj
     
  20. DaDakota

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    Must be frustrating that guys who only look at numbers can't just enjoy the development of 2 very good combo guards.

    I am going to enjoy all the whining from you all - as KPJ and Green continue to get better and better together, and the trust builds making them both more efficient.

    Good luck in your hatred.....and praying the Rockets trade a player you don't like.

    Meanwhile, I will enjoy the development and watching KPJ get 10 assists one game and then Green get 9 the next and comfortable in the knowledge that the Rockets are doing at least this part, exactly right.

    Now, if we ever get a STAR or much better option then I reserve the right to embrace that - as any TRUE Rocket fan would do......

    Let's see, two wins in a row, both with entirely different lineups and strategies, shows versatility - try enjoying that instead of getting into your petty feelings.

    DD
     

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