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Can the Texans afford to fire Lovie?

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Two Sandwiches, Nov 20, 2022.

  1. Rudyc281

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  2. Major

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    Sure - I'm not suggesting a Mike McDaniel or Daboll would instantly make this team good. But they show the value of looking at innovative coaches. Miami was ready to move on from Tua, looking at Watson and end-arounds to get Brady. The Giants had Barkley and basically no one else. Jones sucked, they still have no receivers, their defense was awful last year. Kevin O'Connell took over a team that has been treading in averageness for a while and got them to 8-2. These coaches have shown that through a mix of leadership and scheme, you can make these teams decent and give yourself something to build from.

    The point is that if you're trying to eventually improve, you need to find out what you have. Hiring Culley and Lovie suggests the team wasn't even interested in that. If you want to suck, that's fine. But at least suck while trying to see what you might have for the future and being creative. They didn't even seriously interview most of the young/innovative guys - they were looking at mostly retreads and somehow settled for even the worst of those that twice in a row, people that literally no one else was even interviewing, let alone interested in hiring. If you don't care about winning, why not hire the KC guy and let him draw up some bizarro schemes and see what happens? He's out there begging for a chance. Maybe you discover something; maybe you fire him - but we all know they were going to do that with Culley and Lovie anyway when they fail.

    One of two things seems true to me:

    1. The front office thought these guys were actually good hires, in which case the GM needs be fired for stupidity.
    2. They were hired as placeholders by a team that doesn't care about winning or even trying to be forward-thinking, which plays right into Flores/WIlks' claims that owners are hiring black coaches to fail and with the intent to fire them after the rebuild period.

    The Texans seem to just be hiring people for no purpose at all. They aren't looking to the future; they aren't trying to be good now.
     
  3. justtxyank

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    Im all for hiring an innovative mind and don’t dispute that they would make this team better, just pushing back on the straight line comparison of “oh hey look at the dolphins and giants having instant turnarounds because they hired the right coach.”
     
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  4. Nick

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    Why? An NFL head coach is a huge difference maker.

    The Jets have also turned around. On the flip-side, the Broncos have regressed likely due to hiring the wrong coach.

    Its not simply that the Texans don’t have any talent… they have no sense of direction or organization at any level.
     
  5. Mr.Scarface

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    Jets have talent. They have had talent for a few years. Their coach hasn't been good. Texans don't have the talent, yet.
     
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    Lovie Smith was always going to be a short term band-aid. They always planned on firing him fairly quickly if there was a legitimate head coach they could target.
     
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  7. Nick

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    Well the football incompetence in this city has extended to the TV station that shows most of their games…
     
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    The Dolphins were already coming off 2 winning seasons. Are we really surprised they’re having another one?
     
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    there's no point. No coach is saving this dumpster franchise, we don't even have a franchise qb, talent lacking basically at every position.

    We finally got rid of the cancer BoB and Easterbunny, gonna take a few years to heal and recover assuming Nick Caserio can do his job.
     
  10. Rudyc281

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    Just did some digging on Shane Waldron and I’m impressed also had some time in New England as coach and front office personnel.
     
  11. Nick

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    Casserio and Cal watching this game and probably salivating at two more very typical Texans HC candidates:

    Mike Patricia
    Jason Garrett
    (Tony Dungy serving as a consultant to say “yes, hire anybody… they’re all great…”_
     
  12. Rudyc281

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    Please no
     
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    Yeah but when I look at the imporvement Detroit is showing under Dan Campbell and then compare it with the clownshow we have under Lovie it is readily apparent that hiring the right HC can go a long way toward improving a team's fortunes. Now Detroit is not a good team like the Texans but when I see them playing hard trying to win I come away with the feeling that they are (finally) on the right path after decades of irrelevance. Not so with the Texans who appear to be comfortable with being a joke and an afterthought in this state.
     
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    If it weren't for Cal playing politics Culley nor Lovie would've been hired to begin with. Cal's suffering the consequences of his decisions.
     
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    "Hell, if Irsay can hire a white HS coach, why can't we?"

    "Josh McCown, come on down!" -- Cal McTommyBoy
     
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    I don't see how Lovie makes it through the season. Other than our ownership sucks and is happy with taking people's money.
     
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    4 coaches (5 if you count Romeo) in 4 years, that would have to be a record right?
     
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    I think the issue with this team this year is that Davis Mills is complete trash. They have no QB at all. They should give Lovie Smith another chance next year.
     
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    In their past 6 quarters of offense, the Texans have 180 total yards of offense, including garbage time. If that doesn't get someone fired, I don't know what to say.
     
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