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Joe Biden turns 80!!

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Nov 20, 2022.

  1. Reeko

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    he was someone people are familiar with, he was a very moderate Democrat, and people were confident he would beat Trump in 2020...it also helps that he was Obama's VP

    Pete has zero support
     
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    Rich White Men pass 80 have a new life expectancy of 95.7
     
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    But why were people confident in a geriatric?

    To me it seems like a post hoc thing for the Democrat leadership. It was Biden's "turn" and therefore the legacy media spammed that narrative. It wasn't a naturally created one in my opinion.
     
  4. Reeko

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    as if Trump was so much younger...age didn't matter that much

    apart from the other reasons I gave, Biden was also more likely to win over the needed amount of independents/moderates in order to win in 2020

    legacy media didn't have to spam anything...Minority voters aren't liberals that will flock to a Bernie Sanders, and why should they have been confident in Pete?
     
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    Why would a minority voter prefer any candidate? What makes Biden stand out in terms of actually policy and rhetoric rather than just being buddy buddy with Clyburn?

    I still to this day don't understand why minority groups would like Biden. It doesn't make sense to me. Nothing in his life suggests he's a champion for the causes of minority groups and has spread rhetoric and bills that actually harmed them.

    I mean the fact that Obama chose Biden as his running mate to alleviate the fears of middle white America should say a lot in itself.
     
  6. Xopher

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    I don't want Biden due to age, not performance. This whole inflation thing is just a ruse. It started with the tariffs in 2019, the pandemic made it worse. Companies got us used to legitimate inflation and are now screwing people while making record profits. People act like inflation would have been less under Trump. It wouldn't have. Now the problem is I have absolutely no idea who the Democrats would run. The GOP has DeSantis if something happens to Trump. There is no way Kamala is winning.
     
  7. Reeko

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    I literally just told u reasons why Biden is preferred over a Bernie Sanders or some unknown like Pete

    minorities are mostly moderates at best, not Bernie Bros...and no one is putting the 2020 election in the hands of Pete Buttigieg, some unknown Mayor from South Bend, Indiana

    black voters are the most conservative Democratic voting block...Pete has zero black or latino support
     
  8. Reeko

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    Kamala is a non-starter...Dems have a very thin bench for sure
     
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  9. fchowd0311

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    I still don't get it man. Dude throughout the 80s and 90s was doing the exact same crime fear mongering you see modern Republicans do.




    Who's on the right side of history now dude from just watching that video? Who's mimicking Biden's rhetoric today? It ain't modern Democrats for sure.

    Bernie also has a different mindset when it comes to minority voters. Unlike Biden he believes he needs to earn their votes rather than telling them that if they don't vote for him, they are anti-black.
     
  10. Reeko

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    ok
     
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    Did you watch the video? Biden sounds exactly like your typical reactionary right winger.


    "We need more prisons" in a country that houses 24% of the world's prison population and 4% of the overall world population? His rhetoric sounded no different than a typical right wing reactionary.

    So I'm confused why . minority groups like Biden. It doesn't clock with me and i would welcome an answer besides just circular logic that he's just liked.
     
  12. Reeko

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    I didn't know 80'/90's Biden is who was running in 2019

    If u are confused as to why the most conservative Democratic voting blocks prefer a moderate like Biden to Bernie or unknown Pete, then Idk what to tell u. They are not progressives, they are not liberals. It was a mistake and had disastrous consequences, but we're gonna act like black people weren't in favor of things like the Crime Bill back then due to the surge in crime and drugs that was disproportionately affecting minority communities? Bernie Sanders is the candidate for the under 30 crowd that usually doesn't vote and the progressive college educated white person.
     
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    A lot of Black people at the time weren't for it either.

    And if you heard that rhetoric from Biden, and think he's a moderate Democrat.... I don't know what to say. He's definitely a conservative Democrat who honestly probably isn't that principles and shifts with the wind when convenient.

    It was convenient for him in the 90s to say that we need more prisons and that we shouldn't care about the causes of crime. He literally said that. The dude literally said that he doesn't care what causes crime. Might as well be any typical reactionary right winger.
     
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    a lot of black people weren't for it at the time isn't an argument

    58% of black people and the majority of the Black Caucus supported it...the only black mayor supported it...stop it

    it had majority support

    90's Biden isn't who was running in 2019
     
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    So a few questions.

    Is this an aggregate poll? Individual poll? When was it taken? Who are the caucus members?
    Are they the corrupt ones like Clyburn who leads all federally elected polticians in donations from pharma and health insurance industry?

    Anyways, you are the one who brought up Bernie in the first place. Since you did I defended him but that is an assumption you made that I think that Sanders was the obvious choice.

    I think Sanders isn't a viable national candidate mainly because of the type of media Americans consume.

    I also think that Biden is a horrible candidate and often a horrible human as can be seen by his rhetoric word for word in the YouTube video.

    And the number one reason Biden won a national election was that he wasn't Trump. That's it. No one is excited about Joe Biden. No one is excited about Joe Biden leading the intellectual charge in systemic changes were changed are needed. He's literally the guy people chose because "white suburban people at least feel comfortable with him and therefore are less likely to pick Trump or abstain from voting".
     
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    I really don't believe this, Biden was not some terrible candidate and I don't see any other Republican that would have done better.

    Do you think some Republican could have made people forget about trump and how the republicans were in lock step?

    Or do you think any other Republican would have had Trumps base of support and still had moderate voters?
     
  17. Reeko

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    Man, I'm not about to do all the homework for u.

    Of course I brought up Bernie, he was Biden's main opponent in the primaries. Why wouldn't I bring him up?

    Even if no one was excited about Biden, he could get enough independent and fed up Republican votes and create a somewhat broad coalition of voters...progressive, far-left Bernie would not have been as successful in doing so...Where was Bernie's excitement from anyone who wasn't under 30?

    u can blame the media all u want to like a TYT operative, but that's simply the case
     
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    Dude you are insufferable.

    No large voting block is voting for systematic changes, and no president will have the power to make systematic changes.

    Good to know that his support among black people is due to white suburbans feeling comfortable with him?

    Biden is a horrible human? WTF?

    You are really going off the deep end and sounding more and more like a Trumper with how much you hate Biden and will do anything to **** on him.

    And then you have the nerve to blame Sanders being a terrible candidate on the media when the media was the only reason Sanders had a the following he did.
     
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    Democrats have the weaker bench right now.

    Republicans can also run Tim Scott and Nikki Haley.

    The Democrats have some strong candidates, but they may not be ready until 2025.

    If John Fetterman gets back to where he was before the stroke, he has an extremely high upside because of his charisma.

    The fireworks are going to be DeSantis versus Trump..... DeSantis isn't going to want to debate Trump because he doesn't think fast on his feet.
     
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