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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by rimrocker, Nov 17, 2022.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    I never got Twitter. Other than Clutchfans I stopped at Facebook for social media (Yes I am old). Never felt like I'm missing out as anything on twitter that might interest me I got through multiple sources including here.
     
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    Edit

    Deleted my post because it's irrelevant to this thread's purpose. My bad.
     
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    I hear Don Knock is recruiting at Discord
     
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    @tinman gonna post 10 replies to himself to inflate bot/post ratio.
     
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    I never reply to myself cause so many people @ me because they know I'm a 99er
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    Non contributing members = fake rockets fans
     
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  10. rimrocker

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    Yes, I do. Completely different things. One is rocket science, which is just math. The other is a mass of human interactions using the vagaries of language to establish relationships, discuss critical ideas, and find p*rn. The latter is infinitely more complex. The fact that Musk said the heart of Twitter is servers shows he has no idea what he bought.
     
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    I’m going to still stay on Clutchfans to fight evil
     
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    I've had enough, I'm starting my own twitter
     
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  13. Bandwagoner

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    Tech has been shedding jobs for months now. Musk has a huge ego and this is an insane move but I don't think a shortage of workers with needed skills will be a problem right now.
     
  14. Phillyrocket

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    Always thought Twitter would survive even after FB and other social media since its ability to break news and alert those interested in that particular news.

    Always admired Musk but going in day 1 and just slashing jobs left and right is just egotistical and stupid. Spend more time in understanding the complexities of the business, culture, etc.

    For someone who wants to be a visionary and break traditions and revolutionize industry his war on working from home is baffling.
     
  15. rimrocker

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    Twitter is reliant on tech, but it is not a tech business. It's a content business and the content comes from the users and benefits the users. That's one reason it is has become so critical and yet so difficult to monetize. Another is that it was designed so you could create your own walled garden and just follow the accounts you wanted without having too much pushed to you.

    For example, in my world of disaster response, we absolutely depend on Twitter like no other to both deliver real-time info to those affected and receive real-time info which sometimes changes our response plan. If Twitter goes away or becomes less available to the larger public, it will increase the complexity of disasters and increase exposure to risk for both the public and responders. I guarantee Musk had no idea when he bought the place that every federal, state, county, and city emergency management agency and every governmental and volunteer response org across the country is invested in Twitter and has spent years building up their following and the credibility of their accounts. Once you get beyond celebrity, sports, and p*rn, there is a much greater depth to Twitter than any other platform.

    If you go back to the first few pages of the big COVID thread, I was one of the few taking it seriously in the early stages. I stocked up before there were shortages, I bought masks before they were unavailable. I made plans for the kids to be home from school for an extended period. I was able to do that because I follow some smart public health folks on Twitter.

    It's social media, not just media. Musk sees banks of servers and thinks code, not people. You can code all you want and buy as many servers as you want, but unless you understand what you're coding for, you'll fail. His actions will not only be jokes in business schools for years to come, but are also a really strong argument for the Humanities.

    Plus, the way he is treating employees is a lesson in bad leadership. He can't define what he wants because he doesn't know what he wants and he never bothered to truly understand the business. If I had a boss using language like he is, changing policies on a whim and then reversing them on a whim, and making demands without clear and understood direction, I'd bolt at the first opportunity. I've done "hardcore" jobs and worked "hardcore" hours. You can't do it for long and you can't do it without tremendous support and having everyone aligned as to mission.
     
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    By the way, Mastodon was really slow yesterday as numbers are climbing exponentially, but things seem to be snapping around nicely today. We'll see what Monday holds.

    It seems most of my science types are already there but a lot of my disaster folks and others have yet to make the jump. It will take awhile to build up my following list the way I want it.
     
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  17. Bandwagoner

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    none of your post is relevant to my post. Software engineers are not hard to come buy right now. Turnover is common in tech, look at google. The fact there were engineers at twitter for 10 years make it an outlier.

    You seem to love twitter and hate elon and I think he has been able to treat his employees like dirt because SpaceX and Tesla attracts people with a name and idealistic missions. Neither of those exist at twitter because no one gives a ****.

    We will see how this all shakes out but he won't fail because of a lack of programming talent available.
     
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    It is relevant. I have no doubt there are software engineers available but the assumption Elon seems to be making is that the availability allows bad leadership and bad direction. Working in a social space is different than designing a distribution system for Amazon. It's not plug and play. You're not coding for efficiency or to do something with a thing, you're coding to enhance human interactions. Again, that's more difficult and the difficulty increases greatly if the guy running the place doesn't understand that.

    Also, I work in a field where we've taken advantage of people who feel a calling. It doesn't last. Eventually, the system becomes brittle and starts to break down as people realize the sacrifice is not worth it. Resentment sets in. That's why we've had a shortage of wildland firefighters in recent years. If he runs SpaceX and Tesla like he does Twitter, they're already failing.
     
  19. Invisible Fan

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    All tech companies can claim a "shortage of workers"...even the ones laying people off.

    It's all about speed, quality, and depth of the features they want to bring out. Twitter's pressing issue is all those remaining devops engineers and SREs are sufficient for any unanticipated outages,

    Having 10yr employees makes it easier to sort out because they'd presumably know where all the bodies are buried.

    Plus there are some things you can't throw money at to change an outcome. Elon needing to find that 20% who do everything is tough. Steve Jobs commented on wanting to find and retain all the A Grade employees but Apple developed a slavish cult environment since the days of Macintosh. Netflix has a weird culture of open reviews that lets them cull non performers while overpaying the rest.

    This seems more like a crucible of madness with unnecessary targets planted on their backs.
     
  20. Space Ghost

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    I tried mastodon. I don't get it. It feels like going from peak facebook back to MySpace.

    Over the last couple weeks, I've noticed very little difference on the bird app. Bot usage is down.
    I just can't bring myself to getting on a vastly inferior platform because the new owner hurt my feelings.
     
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