[Developing] Nancy Pelosi's husband violently beaten with hammer

There's statements from people he lived with that he had gotten into Q Anon type conspiracies. Social media has been criticized before for taking down extremist posts so this just might be that.

Sure SFPD should release body camera footage.

So far though everything points to what Paul Pelosi had said before. That DePape broke in asked for Nancy Pelosi, threatened Paul Pelosi, Paul Pelosi tried to keep him calm because he was behaving irrationally, contacted SFPD, let SFPD in and when DePape realized it was LEO attacked Paul Pelosi.

I don't think DePape is part of some organized Rightwing group and certainly all Rightwingers shouldn't be judged by his actions. He clearly appears to be mentally disturbed and it's not unheard of for a mentally disturbed person to latch onto extremist rhetoric. As I cited before this looks very similar to a case that happened in Berkeley when someone broke into the UC Berkeley's Chancellor residence and tried to kill Chancellor Chang-Lin Tien. She had been very influenced by Leftwing rhetoric, wasn't a student at the CAL either.

Yes we don't know all the facts but often in cases like this all the facts aren't known for awhile. For example in the killing of George Floyd even though there was video of the actual incident there were a lot of facts that weren't publicly known until the trial of Derek Chauvin.

 

if some dude broke into your house to do harm and the police show up at the door, you just leave , if he comes at you with the hammer you are outside already , he would have to get past the police

can't wait for the trial, but we know this

1. he's canadian
2. this happened in california

 

No, you don't just leave. You haven't been in that situation and have no idea how you'd react.

The victim was more than 80 years old. He wouldn't get far trying to leave from an attacker that much younger and in better shape than him. The attacker obviously wasn't deterred from attacking just because the police were there.

The victim had already diffused the situation to a certain degree and it would make sense for him to believe that continuing to behave calmly would keep working. Besides the police were there.

Obviously just leaving wasn't the obvious choice for the victim or he would have done it.

We know what the attacker claimed his reasons for the attack were. It isn't really a question anymore no matter how much some people wish that it was.

 

There was no obvious here breh
this dude had a hammer not a gun
Paul didn't leave his house when the cops came

@AroundTheWorld

this is like believing in Amber Heard before hearing the Johnny Depp trial happens

this was a illegal Canadian living homeless in San Francisco /Bay Area California

 

Yes. It was. His immigration status and place of residence isn't proof of anything.

Everyone understands that.

None of that changes his starments to police, statements from those who knew him or his posting history.

An octogenarian running from an attacker half his age doesn't have a likely chance of escaping.

We have all of that.

A conspiracy consists of basically the following

A: Staetement of known truth

Z: conclusion not necessarily caused by (A)

There can be additional known truths none of which cause (Z).

In this case

Known facts are: A: He was an immigrant from Canada who overstayed his visa and didn't have legal status.

B: He was residing in the Berkley area.

Those things do not conclude Z: he was currently a liberal activist engaged in homosexual activity with the husband of Nancy Pelosi.

Conclusion Z: ignores statements from his family, statements to the police, his posting history which has been corroborated by statements from family and verified by reporting.

 

It's also not mutually exclusive that he is influenced by right wing AND left wing conspiracy theories.

 

Is this guy an illegal alien from Canada?
Yes
Was this guy technically homeless?
Yes
Does this guy reside in California?
Yes
Did this happen in California?
Yes
Why did Paul Pelosi not leave his house when the police came ?
We
Don’t
Know

 

David DePape’s Neighbors Say He Was ‘Too Quiet,’ Right-Wing (sfstandard.com)

Neighbor Jin Molnar lives across the street from DePape’s former garage home and said that he was not surprised to hear about the alleged assault.

“My reaction was, I wasn’t 100% surprised,” he said. “I kind of knew this was going to happen. He was too quiet.”

Molnar said that he recalled that DePape leaned right-wing politically and that he was often “tied up in his computer.”

“He was gravitating towards the new right talking points,” Molnar said.​

David DePape's dark journey from Obama backer to QAnon extremist accused in Pelosi attack (yahoo.com)

“Everybody liked him,” said Frank Ciccarelli, 76, a carpenter who employed DePape in the Bay Area.

But when DePape began talking about politics, his outlook grew darker, they said.

“It was right-wing, all the way down the line,” Ciccarelli said. “He thought climate change was a hoax and Hillary Clinton is running a pedophile ring out of a pizza parlor. It was so ridiculous that it was hard to take seriously."​

...

Experts on political extremism say someone who struggles to find meaning in their life may jump from one movement to another to help them make sense of the world.

In a personal blog on which DePape began posting in August, he included essays titled “Manipulation of History,” “Holohoax” and “It’s OK to be white.” He mentioned 4chan, a favorite message board of the far-right. He posted videos about conspiracies involving COVID-19 vaccines and the war in Ukraine being a ploy for Jewish people to buy land. The blog has since been taken down.

DePape’s screeds included posts about QAnon, an unfounded theory that former President Trump is at war with a cabal of Satan-worshiping Democratic elites who run a child sex ring and control the world. In an Aug. 23 entry titled “Q,” DePape wrote: “Either Q is Trump himself or Q is the deep state moles within Trumps inner circle.”​

The people online who are amplifying the conspiracy theories this guy was into are overwhelmingly right-wing crazies.

 

@AroundTheWorld
Body cam don’t lie

 

Wait, the guy's leftist neighbors say he was "right wing"? Solid evidence...

 

Yes he could've and there actually is some overlap between extremist views. For example Antivaxx started in the Left.

The evidence we are hearing from post and from people that knew hin was that he recently had gotten into Q Type conspiracies and that he wanted to punish Nancy Pelosi certainly would put him on the Right side.

 

lol

 

Testimony from neighbors that actually knew him is reasonable evidence.

What is your evidence that his thinking was fueled by left-wingers online?

 

There you go - neighbors say he had both left-wing and right-wing ideas. Which isn't convenient for the whole "right-wing only" narrative. Thanks for stating facts.

 

see above - there were other neighbors and his ex-partner who all described him as left-wing

most likely scenario is he was a lunatic (possibly partly caused by many years of drug abuse?) and just a conspiracy theorist in general - whether right or left didn't matter that much to him

 

It isn't that he was only ever a right wing lunatic. In the past he had been left wing. That had changed recently, and most recently including his stated motives mirrored right wing talking points.

 

see my last post above

 

Most likely scenario, from what I've seen, is he used to be left-wing, was into conspiracy theories and was mentally ill, and the conspiracy theories that led him to want to attack Pelosi were mostly fueled by right wingers online. Whether he can be categorized as left wing or right wing today I don't know, and it doesn't really matter. It's not about who he is personally, but rather what led him to want to go after Pelosi. Probably the same right-wing online echo chambers that pushed a bunch of the January 6th rioters.

 

So you don't know, but you want it to be labeled right-wing?

 

Yes. I don't need to know his personal positions on various political issues to have a good idea of who's responsible for promoting the conspiracy theories he believes in.