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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. Yung-T

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  2. bobrek

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    A Navy guy heavily involved in a ground/ air war.....
     
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    the Trump comparison is superfluous; what's relevant is what Biden did, or rather did not do, in the run up to the invasion. Many people are saying that Biden was correct to warn Ukraine that Russia was going to invade. If he was in fact convinced, why withhold aid until after the invasion?
     
  4. basso

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    is that official US policy, or did Biden "misspeak?"
     
  5. DaDakota

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    LOL 5 bullets to the chest is suicide....sounds like some people don't want to be conscripted.

    Or is Putin pulling a Stalin and eliminating officers.

    DD
     
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  6. LosPollosHermanos

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    these missiles were launched by ukraine

    Poland, NATO say missile strike wasn’t a Russian attack
    By VASILISA STEPANENKOyesterday


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    Children look at a crater created by an explosion in a residential area after Russian shelling in Solonka, Lviv region, Ukraine, Wednesday, Nov. 16, 2022. (AP Photo/Mykola Tys)

    PRZEWODOW, Poland (AP) — NATO member Poland and the head of the military alliance both said Wednesday that a missile strike in Polish farmland that killed two people appeared to be unintentional and was probably launched by air defenses in neighboring Ukraine. Russia had been bombarding Ukraine at the time in an attack that savaged its power grid.

    “Ukraine’s defense was launching their missiles in various directions, and it is highly probable that one of these missiles unfortunately fell on Polish territory,” said Polish President Andrzej Duda. “There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to suggest that it was an intentional attack on Poland.”

    NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg, at a meeting of the 30-nation military alliance in Brussels, echoed the preliminary Polish findings. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, however, disputed them and asked for further investigation.

    The assessments of Tuesday’s deadly missile landing appeared to dial back the likelihood of the strike triggering another major escalation in the nearly 9-month-old Russian invasion of Ukraine. If Russia had targeted Poland, that could have risked drawing NATO into the conflict.

    Still, Stoltenberg and others laid overall but not specific blame on Russian President Vladimir Putin’s war.
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    It's not official US policy but Biden is the President and he's said it on multiple occasions

    Just to note that it was also policy under Trump. So it is again odd to claim that the President who says that he will defend Taiwan is appeasing while previous US presidents weren't even though the official policy was the same they didn't say anything.

    FYI official policy is ambiguous. It doesn't say whether the US will or will not. Biden just clarified that ambiguity.
     
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    If we're playing that game, then what's also superfluous is your assumption giving pre-emptive aid would have deterred what was already a pre-emptive invasion by Russia.

    He was clearly warned of the consequences, and the alliance has held firm despite sanctions tanking the EU's economy. Germany will likely slump deeper into a recession in 2023, and Great Britain just reported double digit inflation.

    These are all conditions an American president can't "get done" by decree. Making other countries do what you want them to do or follow script isn't simple.

    Heck, it seems like we're just gonna ignore Ukraine kinda-sorta trying to start WW3 lol...
     
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  9. Ottomaton

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    Hostage negotiations:



    Ukrainians want to exchange the stolen raccoon from Kherson for the Odesa monument to Catherine II

    The petition appeared on the website of the President of Ukraine on November 15. She has already collected 2,137 votes out of the 25,000 required.

    Real War
     
  10. basso

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    which is it?
     
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    So Russia is pissed off that they unilaterally invaded a country without asking permission and other people decided to help defend them without asking permission?

    This all ignores that Russia signed an agreement with Ukraine promising to leave them alone, and the US (and various other NATO countries) agreed in that process to to help defend Ukraine if that was violated.
     
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    It's intentionally ambiguous....

    And again.... trying to break up the strongest military alliance in the world seems like appeasement to Russia and China.
     
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  13. basso

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    what are you referring to.
     
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    NATO homie.

    Not to mention Trump’s America First foreign policy also appeased Russia.
     
  15. basso

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    Biden is trying to break up NATO?
     
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    Nah, he made it stronger. Talking about the previous administration…

    You posted a tweet about Biden appeasing Russia.
     
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    US policy is ambiguous so it's not US policy that the US will definitely defend Taiwan if they are attacked but it also isn't the policy. Biden as President has said on a couple of occasions that the US would so it appears under the Biden presidency yes the US would likely defend Taiwan.

    The ambigous policy was the policy under Trump and previous presidents. I am not aware of Trump stating a stance on that policy.
     
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    Aftermath of a successful missle interception.
     
  19. basso

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    what does Biden appeasing Russia have to do with the previous admin?
     
  20. basso

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    so Biden has changed the previous ambiguous policy to make it...

    ...ambiguous?
     

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