KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Lol.
It's obvious why he gets more flack.

He's younger with far less experience AND... This is the big part.


He commits less of them.

Not only that he makes quick decisions more often than KPJ who will hold on to the ball for 20 seconds of a shot clock. Sure you can point to individual possessions of Green doing this but it's far more rare for Green to do it than KPJ.

 

Who's white knighting? I think that term is more applicable to our Sengun contingent honestly, but I dont care to keep creating division among the fans. Why do you need things to be so black and white?

You were right ... I was wrong. Does that complete the loop for you?

 

You literally said “turnovers are turnovers” in the post I replied to.

I clearly pointed out the numbers that show KPJ has a much bigger turnover issue than Green based on the % of possessions that they turn the ball over. So KPJ turns the ball over on a higher percentage of possessions AND has the ball by far the most on the team, making it pretty obvious why there will be more griping with KPJ.

I never said 8-9 assists and an efficient 20 is what we should expect(straw man), I said that IF he was giving us that, then there would likely be a lot less b****ing about his high turnover rate because the good would be FAR outweighing the bad.

 

Eh Debatable pure pg are extinct. We just need someone who has better court vision and play Making abilities.

Kpj can eventually get there or he won't fact stands waiting for one player to become that person really hinders everyone else development. Kpj is a talented scorer, he should focus on that and let someone else give pg duty a try. Aint got much to lose

 

Do you actually watch the games?

Green's problem that has been preventing him from being a pg is ball security. He just wasn't confident in his handle. As time moves forward you can see the added confidence.

Now why he's better a KPJ at his duties?

Well look at the past few games when he actually does do pg duties. He does one thing that is significantly better than KPJ that allows "flow" in a offense. Green breaks down defenders much earlier in his his dribble than KPJ. It's because Green creates more seperation effortlessly than KPJ. That means Green is collapsing defenses earlier in the shot clock and then finding the roll man like Sengun from his ability to break down the defense eariler.

 

Literally have a 9 percentage of difference in turnover rate between the two. Why do you say they turn over the ball the same rate? They don't.

 

Yep.

 

Nope. I'm just thinking about what the offense needs in order to break down or collapse. Obviously Silas is not Rick Adelman here, and it's going to have to be simplistic for him and these young players who haven't played more than a year or two professionally.

At this point, I'm just thinking what is the harm in letting your best driver and finisher run the lead guard on pretty much every set, and just see what happens. I understand it'll be ugly at first, and maybe continue to be ugly for the duration, but it's not like we have much to lose.

The Westbrook example is just a way to show that even an inefficient knucklehead who can't shoot can still run a winning NBA offense... if he can break down the defense, and finish at the rim. KPJ has so much going for him as an NBA scorer, but if you can't finish at the rim, you can't collapse the defense, and it just doesn't work as the lead/point guard.

 

So what was the point of even putting 8-9 assist and efficient 20 in the post then?

The reason he turns the ball over on a higher percentage is because he has the ball by far the most on the team by design, so again, why is your hair on fire?

How is 20% as opposed to 115% so much higher, considering what they are asked to do and their responsibilities?

 

KPJ has another problem in that his handles are on a string and very secure but the dude takes so long to shake his defenders and therefore spends 20 seconds trying to do it.

Green takes like 4 seconds to collapse the defense. That's the main reason why Green should at the very least split some pg duties.

 

Cool! So bring in that guy so that everyone can shift their ire at the next "losing" player on the team. Seems like blame needs to be assigned.

Like I said its time to see what this team can do without KPJ in there. Sounds like they should look way better so Im curious to see that take shape. If it does then the answer is crystal clear. What happens if they look worse?

This whole team needs development - one player on the court isnt stalling that if you're really looking below the surface level and applying context to the discussion. KPJ is playing horribly right now. His body language is terrible, he looks like a player who's lost confidence and is overthinking everything on the court. It is what it is. Even when he plays like a "good" player the jury is out and some guys just cant bring themselves to acknowledge that - WHICH IS FINE!! Nothing wrong with making a claim and wanting it to be fulfilled. Works both ways and I get that - as of today Im on the wrong side of the debate - thats OK for me. Not the first time, and hopefully not the last thats what life is all about.

 

He has the ball in his hands a lot not only because he is the pg.



But also because it takes 20 seconds to beat his man off the dribble and collapse the defense.

 

Yes, I watch the games.

Please tell us again why you hated Harden so much, and why after that should, anybody take you seriously?

 

Thanks for again illustrating why nobody should engage with you, are you just regurgitating everything you used to say about Harden?

 

So you won't address anything I typed. I guess you have no arguments. My standards for criticism of Harden are different. My criticism of Harden were to reach championship level. Much higher standards for a dude in his prime who's a yearly MVP candidate trying to win a ring.

We are in a completely different stage. If Harden was 20 you think I'm going to criticize him the same way?

 

And if you watch the games you would easily see Green starts the actions much sooner than KPJ. Green doesn't take nearly as long to collapse defenses which allows flow in an offense. Usually when KPJ finally passed it out it's with seconds left on the shot clock.

 

Awe, "I finally get something to celebrate ". That's cute. Sorry your hero let you down. Better luck next time little fella.

Btw, your post is hilariously ironic considering all you were doing was talking about how you couldn't wait to celebrate. You're a hypocrite

 

Do you think Green is going to driving and finishing at the same rate when he is on the ball all the time?

You have a time limit on KPJ, but you are more than willing to let Green be even more ugly because you think it will just work out?

Green is not a great finisher at the rim through traffic its amazing that you think he will be so much better than KPJ.

 

Dude everyone who is sane who watches this offense is making the same observation.

If KPJ could hold on to the ball as much as he does and score on a 62% ts on high volume while generating 9 assists and leading teams to top 2 offensive ratings, no one would care as much that he's holding on to he ball especially in this stage of development for the team where they are expected to be at the bottom.

My criticism of Harden holding the ball was me saying that's the limiting factor in us winning a championship. Now someone else with much less talent holding the ball is our limiting factor in us just being somewhat respectable.

 

Either u don't really watch the games like u claim u do or u are just making sht up now.
How do u think Green scores?