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And pretending it’s correct

 

In which case, that means McConnel was willing to work with Democrats on some bills, as bills passed with Republican votes under Obama. Every Congress, no matter who is in control and no matter who is president, passes some bipartisan legislation. If they didn't, the government would cease to exist (because there would be no appropriations). Saying the Democrats voted on two bills that they unanimously supported and that one Democrat voted to confirm Kavanaugh (when it wouldn't have mattered if he opposed him) is not a good refutation of @giddyup 's point when he asked, "When has there not been a widespread lack of support for controversial legislative action initiated by the opposition party?" You responded with two legislative actions initiated by their own party that received unanimous support and two actions that received either no support or a single Senator.

 

@giddyup asked if there were Democrats that voted with Republicans and I pointed out that there were. Just like there were Republicans that voted with Democrats on other things. Factually nothing you've stated counters that.

 

Len Bias... the Celtics mysterious sixth man?

 

NEWSFLASH: anyone from any party just might support good legislation!

 

Actually I asked if there were an equivalency to a RINO attribution for the Democratic Party. I found a "political dictionary" and looked up DINO. The example given was a former D Senator Zell Miller who actually delivered the keynote address at the Republican National Convention in 2004 criticizing the Democratic candidate John Kerry-- seems to have been spot on..... :

 

No he didn't, he said: "When has there not been a widespread lack of support for controversial legislative action initiated by the opposition party? Sure we have bi-partisan bills but all that requires is a sponsor from each party.. RINOs exist. Is there a parallel sub-group in the Democratic party?"

Nowhere in that quote does he ask if there were Democrats that ever voted with Republicans on any bill (and there is no reason anyone would ask something so stupid, because every Congress has bills that pass unanimously or nearly so). You totally ignored key words like "widespread lack of support" and "controversial legislative action initiated by the opposition party". What I wrote was directly responsive to the examples you used and how they failed to meet the criteria he established.

 

All of those are subjective terms. The only wayt to quantify that is where they've voted with the opposition party. If he's asking about "DINO's" Yes there Democrats that have supported Republican bills and positions to the consternations of other Democrats. Just read here on D&D the frequent frustrations by many of the more Left leaning posters towards people like Manchin and Sinema.

If you want a more specific example consider how both of those Senators continually stymie Democrats attempts to reform the filibuster.

Also note that so called RINO's still vote overwhelmingly with Republican leadership. That they are noted is where they diverge on a few prominent votes. The same with Manchin and Sinema.

 

Yes so there you have your answer.

Just to note John McCain, Mitt Romney, and Susan Collins have all been called RINO's. None of them spoke at the DNC, voted for Schumer for leadership, and as noted for the most part vote with Republican leadership. They are only called RINO's for really a very small percentage of their votes.

 

Where's my answer? I was looking for DINOs and the only examples found were from 2004 and 2021 (?) with Manchin...Your RINOs have perpetually been recognized for years.

Naturally they are called "names" when it hurts the most... close votes.

 

If you reread the threads about Manchin even here on Clutchfans there are many saying he is a Republican and some saying he should just change parties.

If your view is that a DINO has to be a Democrat that spoke at the RNC then the only actually RINO's are people like Jim Jeffords and Arlen Spector who actually switched from Republican to Democrat.

 

Liz Cheney is called a RINO because she had a spine and stood up to Trump the person. She voted for and supported his policies 96% of the time. That is the difference between a DINO and a RINO. You will rarely if ever see a Democrat be called a DINO if they vote for policies 96% of the time. Manchin and Sinema could go out and say they don't like Biden as long as they voted for the policies, they would not be called DINOs. However, McCain,Romney, Cheney, Barr, etc. get called RINOs all the time.

 

Manchin voted with Democrats 91% of the time and Sinema did 96% of the time. So apparently you will see a Democrat be called a DINO if they vote for policies 96% of the time.

Edit: Manchin votes align closely with Schumer, liberal Democrats Warren, Sanders despite portrayal as moderate | Fox News

 

Yes and Susan Collins votes with Republicans most of the times, of the time and she is frequently called a RINO.
https://projects.propublica.org/represent/members/C001035/votes-against-party/115
Liz Cheney voted with Trump about 93% of the time, more than Stefanik who replaced her in leadership, and she has been kicked out of the party.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-trump-score/liz-cheney/

So it applies the otherway.

Again these are subjective terms. If the argument is that RINO's are Republicans who vote with Democrats, sometimes, then certainly DINO's are Democrats who vote with Republicans sometime.

 

I pointed out that the recognition of DINOs is more rare: the one instance of Zell Miller almost two decades ago (the only example cited in an online political dictionary) and now Manchin here.

Please stop trying to reach conclusions that are not yours to make on behalf of others. You guys, as others have said, like to put words in other people's mouths to box t hem in. Why?

 

If the majority of and individual's votes were not aligned with his/her party, s/he would probably switch parties. The name-calling arises when it comes to critical votes where disappointment sets in.

 

You asked a question an answer was provided. You cited an example and other examples were provided.

 

Yes exactly. The people called RINOS for the most part vote with their party. The equivalent then are people like Manchin who vote for the most part with their party but have opposed their party on some critical votes.

 

I actually think the DINO/RINO name is more about intent/loyalty.

Tulsi Gabbard is a great example in regards to intent. She was happy to run on a policy platform that was Bernie’s platform recycled, but there were a lot of things off with her when you heard her speak, her relationships with Assad, and then her growing courtship with the right wing media sphere. It was clear even when she still had a progressive policy agenda in 2020 as a candidate for president, that her intent was not in good faith.

The issue that the MAGA base has with Liz Cheney is also about loyalty and intent but it’s a whole lot darker because her loyalty does seem to lie in preserving democracy and protecting from a would be autocrat. An autocrat she voted with as much as anyone. So it would be more MAGA in name only, and not really Republican in name only if we are still associating the party with its history of being a Democratic institution.

Joe Manchin is an anomaly and both sides accept it willingly. Nobody faults Manchin for what he does to curry favor with his voters since it is maybe the most conservative state in the country. However they are also the poorest so they rely on social safety nets which means they have to vote for Democrat policies while despising liberalism socially. Enter Joe Manchin who is unique to say the least. He’s not however disingenuous like Tulsi Gabbard. He’s honest about who he is and Democrats are mostly honest back at him. His loyalty is to West Virginia and his donors.