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Jose Altuve is the best Astro ever

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Two Sandwiches, Oct 19, 2019.

  1. Houstunna

    Houstunna The Most Unbiased Fan
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    Altuve is already a HOFer. Literally, if he retired today, he'd make it

    How many 3x batting champs, 8x All-Star, 2x champion, MVPs (yes plural), playoff beasts are not in?

    His height also plays a role. He's arguably the greatest player pound-for-pound (Jose and Joe Morgan can fight for the title. But guess what, Morgan SUCKED in the playoffs)

    The biggest issue is the cheating mantra
     
  2. Pipedream

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    This branding of all 2017 Astros into the same depth and breadth of benefitting from sign stealing is completely disingenuous. It would be like judging all SF or NY players as cheaters by having a Clemens or Bonds in your clubhouse during the Steroid Era.

    There needs to be a writer with some guts to set the record straight when Altuve's HOF candidacy comes up into how little he participated.
     
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  3. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Ryan? Bagwell? Bigio?
     
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    Nolan is a Texas legend, but he's not even the best Astros pitcher in history much less player overall.
     
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    There are a lot of astros that I love, current and past. Putting them in order and naming one the best is kinda like saying which of your children you love best. Not something I could do.
     
  6. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    At this point, Altuve is the most valuable Astro ever. It's hard to argue best because eras and changes in the balls and drugs being used but there is no arguing he has been the face and best player of the best Astro Era. When you think Astro champions, he will be the face everyone will remember.
     
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  7. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    When did Altuve win the 2nd MVP?
     
  8. Houstunna

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    Hello Bussom Buddy

    Ask smarter questions or fall back
     
  9. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Altuve won the MVP in 2017. You said he won MVPs (yes plural). When was the 2nd?

    Also, not sure what bussom is. Did you mean bosom?
     
  10. Houstunna

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    Yes, Bosom. Thanks for the clarification

    Ask Chapman about Altuve's MVPs. And perhaps blame a buzzer
     
  11. msn

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    Postseason series MVP ≠ 162-game MVP award. That scrub who couldn't stick in the Astros during the rebuild, won a WS MVP with Boston, and is no longer with the Red Sox (is he even in baseball? what was his name?) says hi.
     
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    I don't like the selection process. It's petty too often. Berkman not even getting to the second year was insulting.
     
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    Rather have a WS mvp because it implies winning a world series.
     
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    Steve Pearce? The dude who spent only a part of the 2012 season with us? He played for 3 teams that year. He wasn't part of our rebuild.
     
  15. msn

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    Exactly. He couldn't stick.
     
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    If he never plays another game, I don't think he gets voted in. He's short by most WAR metrics commonly used for HOF case evaluation: WAR, WAR/7, JAWS.

    Obviously its a moot point because he will continue to play (hopefully for 10 more seasons).

    It's not really an argument between Tuve and Joe Morgan. Joe Morgan has more than double Tuve's current career WAR. Pretty much no chance he can catch Morgan.
     
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    Then, the playoffs begin.....
     
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    As far as I’m concerned, this rebuild started with Altuve (debut 7/20/11), Keutchel (debut 6/17/12) and JD Martinez (debut 7/30/11). But the metrics let the Astros down with JD Martinez and he was released flat out. Who in their right mind would have penned those three guys as an MVP, a Cy Young award winner, and an elite designated hitter!

    Up until Altuve came on board, the Astros were trading anyone of value for the massive rebuild.

    And though stars have come and they have gone, Altuve remains. And he just had one of his top productive years of his hall of fame career.

    Because the rewards for the 100 loss seasons were Correa, Appel, and Aiken—> Bregman. Correa helped but moved on, Appel was a no show, and Aiken turned into Bregman is the disciplined version of Altuve!

    Altuve was the face of the rebuild. For as most of us were concerned, he was only supposed to be a place holder till Delion DeShields was to assume his role as All-star second baseman. But Altuves grit and determination defined this era of Astros baseball.

    In 2011 we were in the 1st of three straight 100+ loss seasons, most folks didn’t watch it, yet we were witnessing the greatest Astro, Mr. Altuve turn into a genuine Hall of Famer.
     
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  19. IdStrosfan

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    He hasn't even scored 1000 runs in his career.

    He has work to do before he is even considered for the hall of fame.

    Bring this up again in 5 years
     
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  20. Houstunna

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    Pearce should enable a 'Liar Liar' scenario and answer Altuve's XBH "out"

    You should enable your non-trolling
     

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