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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ItsMyFault, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    move over Greta

     
  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I don't get why people are so adamant about doing nothing to fight climate change. Warming the planet up is not a good thing.
     
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    no idea who this is, but yes, would, if old enough
     
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    They are self absorbed. They don't care about the future of the climate. They would rather live as they want, regardless of the impact of this planet in the future. It's the same types who don't believe is helping those who need help the most.
     
  5. TheFreak

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    It could be a good thing if it helps to combat wokeism.
     
  6. fchowd0311

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    Advanced engineering can save us from climate change.

    Only Nazis can save us from Wokeism.
     
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  7. Invisible Fan

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    I'm trying to run the comments in my mind.

    She didn't dress the occasion, but does she have to? Is dress decorum still a thing or is it antiquated?

    Even the argument that she obviously posing for the online likes rather than the issue is riddled with landmines. Again, what gives one the right to criticize the other...

    Maybe her social media presence allows her a bigger platform to reach her issues.

    Fuggetabouttit. She looks like a poser and her Twitter looks more like an IG influencer than a legit cause to carry.

    I'll let her generation sort out whether this is the new normal they want to live with... the continuation of idealism being a platform for self promotion and aggrandizement
     
  8. Os Trigonum

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    Every Place On Earth Warming Faster Than Every Other Place On Earth

    https://www.wmbriggs.com/post/43453/

    excerpt:

    The other day we saw a UN report which claimed that “billions live in regions that have already experienced warming greater than the global average.”

    They didn’t say where those regions were, a strange lacuna for such a large number of souls. I thought this an interesting question, so I looked it up, searching with terms like “warming faster than rest of the world” and the like. I used the Regime-approved search engine Google.

    Here are the regions of the world which Regime-approved government and media sources—I would never quote from conspiracy-believing denier sites!—think are warming faster than the rest of the world. I believe all of these links are from the last year or two. I did not cheat and use anything from the 2000s or earlier.

    Have I left anywhere out? . . . .
    more at the link
     
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  9. AroundTheWorld

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    I don't believe in any of these apocalyptic forecasts.

    From the beginning of mankind, people profited from coming up with apocalyptic scenarios. It gave them power over others.
     
  10. B-Bob

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    Interesting line to draw:
    • distressing? Nah, can't be right. Peoplez been wrong before.
    • looks like comfortable sailing? That scienz is solidz breh! People nevez ben wrong about thingz bein OK.
     
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  11. rocketsjudoka

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    As opposed to people who told people everything is going to be fine no need to change.
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    There is a literal trillion dollar industry that has perfected an economy of scale of a product they don't want to adjust because they cornered and dominated the market and don't want that market to disappear (oil and gas).

    They have much more incentive to fool idiots like you than some ****ing career academics scientist who does mathematical models.
     
  13. Invisible Fan

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    Most folks trend toward easy and the least amount of effort unless it directly benefits themselves above all others.

    Frankly, there are times where I feel we're screwed by our own collective momentum and by the insignificance of our individual actions.
     
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    Don't think that I have not read up on things. Several of the more apocalyptic forecasts made in the past have already been proven completely wrong.
     
  15. fchowd0311

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    I don't think you have read up on things. Unless you crammed a course of partial differential equations and learned dynamic system modeling, no you did not read enough.
     
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  16. rocketsjudoka

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    Some of those are warming faster than glaobal average since industrialization. Some are saying they warming faster than other specific regions which may or may not be faster than global average.

    But also this depends on when they are taking global average temps given that temperature readings are not simultaneous from all parts of the world. SO yes every part of the World very well be warming than global average if they are comparing it to the average from 2021.
     
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  17. rocketsjudoka

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    It's not just that. There are a lot of invested interest in continuing with current technology and current consumption patterns. This idea that people are looking at Climate Change as some sort of profit driven or control driven conspiracy ignores how much vested economic and political interests are in continuing using fossil fuels.
     
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  18. fchowd0311

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    Yup. Like I said there is a literal trillion dollar industry that maximizes return on investment purely based on maintaining the status quo(oil and gas).

    The last thing a capitalist wants is to let go of a market they cornered and dominated.
     
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    You don't need that much knowledge. Climate models always have a range and we are seeing models from even 50 years ago being accurate.
    https://www.nationalacademies.org/based-on-science/climate-models-reliably-project-future-conditions
    "One way to test how well models perform is to look at older models and see if their predictions came true. A study of 17 climate models going back to the early 1970s found that most of the models did a good job of predicting temperatures in the decades ahead."

    I also do believe that people like Al Gore did a disservice by focussing on disasters without giving a better understanding of the ranges. Still we have seen an increase in the type of disasters that were predicted. There have been more wildfires and droughts in areas predicted to get drier and more flooding in areas predicted to get wetter. As Houstonians well know tropical storms are getting wetter and the hurricane season is longer.
     
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  20. fchowd0311

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    I think the most prevalent way is through hindcasting. Climate modeling is just doing a cplex dynamic systems problem. Over trial and error the scientists determine the relevant variables and conditions but forming a model which is their hypothesis and using hindcasting as a way to test the model. Hindcasting is basically using a test model in a previous era and seeing if the output of them model reflects the old data.
     

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