KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Pipe down cookies and cake boy, your posts aren't helping. Even KPJ thinks you are weird.

 

Stick to discussing players’ “fits.”

 

Rockets are wasting their time with KPJ at PG…hopefully they address the position in the offseason

 

They will; Porter’s mission will be complete because the Westbrook trade will start. AND the tank will be over. I am hoping Porter moves towards Gordon’s current role. Porter would excel in that role because it matches his skills.

 

Who would you want if Henderson is off the table?

I don’t want to go get some 27yr old disgruntled vet who will be in their early 30’s as Jalen enters his prime. I feel like Stone wants to have Steph/Klay situation with his point guard and Jalen

Who would you realistically make a move for who would still be a asset to us in 7years when Jalen is entering his prime?

 

Tyrese Haliburton... would probably take too much to get him, but was the first name that popped into my head.

 

TOV%: Turnovers per 100 possessions, basically well the player takes care of the ball.
AST%: Percentage of teammate FG is assisted by the player while on the floor

Kevin Porter Jr (secondary scorer and primary playmaker)

• 2021: 17.7 TOV%, 30.7 AST%
• 2022: 17.4 TOV%, 27.5 AST%

So how does he compare with his elite combo guard colleagues?

Luka Doncic (primary scorer and playmaker)

• 2018: 15 TOV%, 31.6 AST%
• 2021: 15.3 TOV%, 46 AST%
• 2022: 10 TOV%, 47.8 AST%

James Harden (primary scorer and playmaker in HOU, secondary scorer and primary playmaker in PHI)

• 2012: 14.9 TOV%, 25.7 AST%
• 2016: 19.5 TOV% (oof 1st year as PG under MDA was bad, but it dropped to 15.1 the following season), 50.7 AST%
• 2021: 18.8 TOV% (16.4 with Philly), 41.4 AST%
• 2022: 13.4 TOV%, 44.1 AST%

Steph Curry (primary scorer and secondary playmaker)

• 2009: 16.5 TOV%, 24.6 AST%
• 2021: 13.2 TOV%, 30.4 AST%
• 2022: 9.9 TOV%, 34.2 AST%

Now, I want to start off by saying neither stats are the end-all-be-all and KPJ certainly has both time and ability to improve. The physical talent is there, even if the brain seems to always be lagging behind. Additionally, AST% can be heavily skewed by the type of offense and the role in said offense. Doncic and Harden for example ARE the offense and therefore will have higher AST% than someone in a more evenly distributed offense like Curry and GSW.

So, what can we learn from these numbers and comparisons?
In a nutshell, KPJ has been pretty bad about taking care of the ball and keeping it safe. As the primary playmaker / ball handler on the team, that translates to less points for us and potentially more points for the other team. In more severe cases, it can be an absolute momentum killer since a TO often ends up as a transition bucket going the other way. It also tells us that he is not a very effective distributor and definitely should not be the focal point of any offense, at least not as of now.

 

Haliburton would be great... just worry that he''ll literally fall in love with Jalen Green and become distracted. Saw it in his eyes during that preseason game

 

There has to be some measure for the amount of crappy calls of screens this year, KPJ usually gets one of those a game - and it is a new point of interest....same for carrying......but agree he could be better....and there is plenty of time for that, as he is only 22 and in only his 2nd year as a PG.

DD

 

He shoots 40%, i.e. high volume low efficiency. Every year lower than the last 4 seasons running.
Difference is Luca, Harden and Curry CAN SHOOT and they can defend too.
Year 3 Luca FG = 48%
Year 3 Curry FG = 49%
Year 3 Harden FG = 49%
Year 3 KPJ FG = 41.5% (now just 40%).

 

This is his 4th year, how many years and games before it can be determined?

 

It is you who is not able to grasp the numbers. Your own stat shows he did not improve as the production per minute actually declined. Here is an extreme example of your flawed logic "Player 1 is great because last year he scored 5 points in 5 minutes of play and this year he's up to 10 points in 30 minutes of play - SEE his production doubled! WOW". Of course in that example you seem to ignore it went down just like KPJ.

 

Porter been in the league for 4 years and 3 years as a point guard. Porter is not a elite player. He is not a elite shooter or elite defender(Jabari), not a elite athletic and agility player(Jalen) or a elite passer(Sengun)…..NOPE! He is just a good player. He is not a closer and not a great passer. The guy is just a great 6 Man for a team….he is a scorer. Halliburton is the player we need with Jalen, Sengun and Jabari for the future. Also, in the draft I like Nick Smith from Arkansas, he is another great option. Next year is our year to play for a playoff spot. We have a lot of money for free agency and picks. I would give the Pacers a Godfather Trade for Halliburton. If we do not receive the 1st or 2nd pick next year I would give 4 draft picks, Christopher, Garuba, Porter or Tate.

I would not touch Green, Smith, Sengun, Eason and Martin for a Halliburton trade. If they push me in this trade I would give up Martin to close the deal.

 

Seriously, what is wrong with y’all? He cited per 36, which normalizes production over 36 minutes. This season, PER 36 minutes, KPJ’s PPG, rebounds, and FT% are better than last season’s numbers PER 36 minutes.

I seriously worry about the intellect of this board sometimes.

 

Only the Kings would be dumb enough to trade Haliburton for a guy like Sabonis. I don't think the Pacers will give up Haliburton without taking at least one of our young talents (and a truck load of picks), if at all. Haliburton and Mathurin are as untouchable as it can be for them.

I have always wanted Haliburton. We missed the opportunity to get him when Sacramento made him available.

 

Probably when he is like 24-25......so 2 more.....he is developing, and is doing quite well.....for a guy that has about 14 months of PG play.

But really not up to me, if the Org likes him, some of you best get used to it.

This is just plain ole not true, Porter was asked BEFORE last season to try to play PG.....not years ago....sheesh!

DD

 

his efficiency is at an all time low

his usage and assist % are basically the same the last 3 years (assist % down this season), so this is his 3rd year playing like this. Career low in efficiency as well, but ya he’s developing nicely…..i guess?

 

I’ve seen pro porter at pg arguments talk about how “traditional” pgs aren’t needed anymore and then say that he needs more time to learn the position because he’s only been playing it for however many years..

Why does he need all this time to adjust if the position can just be played by a combo guard?

 

Why are you using USG%, and not touches?

USG% only counts possessions if the player ends up with a shot attempt, turnover or free throws. If on every single possible possession you dribble the ball for 20 seconds, and force a pass to a corner shooter who takes a bad shot, you will end with 0% USG but the shooter will sky rocket to practically 100% USG.

USG is an archaic stat, just like FG%.

 

Oh, so now KPJ isn’t playing ISO “hero” ball? Now he’s holding onto the ball until the last second and making bad passes?

Man, y’all can’t keep your narratives straight.