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Kyrie Irving to Brooklyn Nets

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by DaBeard, Jun 29, 2019.

  1. Reeko

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    speak on it Jay Will
     
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    Jay Williams just earned a lot of respect from me. I've been waiting to see which media member was going to keep it real. Jay kept it as real as it gets. I didn't know Jay had it in him.
     
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    All this drama
    for some low budget documentary nobody saw

    If the NBA and media didn't freak out over his video of the week selection, nobody would care
    now i'm sure that movie has gone up in popularity 100X times

    This is an extreme overreaction, they should just have said that they don't endorse his tweet of low budget conspiracy theory documentaries on amazon

     
  4. Reeko

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    you’d swear Kyrie’s tweet to an Amazon link was about to trigger another World War and Holocaust in the USA

    whoever made that documentary is about to buy himself a new house and car
     
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    So thanks to the media overhyping it, I found the trailer
     
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    Ok there's some Black people who claim to be Jewish and that they believe the original Jews were Black and the White people are bad
    and they made a documentary and Kyrie watched it

    ok...
     
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    media promoted this far more than Kyrie ever could
     
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    It cost $10 to rent on Amazon
    It’s not a free video you get with your prime account

    so the Kyrie followers probably didn’t want it
    If I’m paying $10 it’s going to be a real movie
     
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  9. Reeko

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    majority of Kyrie’s fans are kids and young adults…most of them definitely weren’t gonna pay to watch some low budget documentary because Kyrie tweeted a link, but with the way the media was acting, might as well just to see what all this hoopla is about
     
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    Positive and negative publicity alike, if they know how to steer that moneymaking vehicle.....
     
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    I don't agree with this whataboutism, and Silverman appearing in blackface is not the same as pimping a book about genocide.

    What exactly is appalling about Kyrie doing what he is asked to do? It's what happens when you are a public figure and get paid on how the public perceives you.

    I usually have a lot of respect for Jay Will but he is way off base hear saying that he is appalled and then bringing up Sarah Silverman when they have nothing to do with each other, just speak to what Kyrie did and don't try and lump something entirely different into the equation.

    They are homeboys from the same area and from duke so I understand why he is cutting for him but he is just wrong here IMO.
     
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    Kids and young adults are the most easily influenced and just because they don't watch that particular video its a gateway for that type of race baiting and racist thinking.

    I don't know why people are acting like Kyrie does not have a lot of influence and that his tweet was as if a member of clutchfans did it.

    I am a teacher and would have to do the same thing if I liked a book such as this and a Jewish parent complained.
     
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    Props to J Will for speaking up for Kyrie, though it will probably cost him job opportunites in the media going forward.
     
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    Jay tries to defend Kyrie, but I feel like a lot of what he said, is energy misplaced. Or doesn't really apply.

    Kyrie Irving and the examples of people Jay spoke about, aren't in the same situation. Irving falls under the umbrella of the Nets or the NBA or the NBPA or whatever governing body. They absolutely have the right to enforce whatever rule(s) they want on Kyrie, as he's an employee. Sarah Silverman and Brett Favre don't have a 'boss' to answer to. Kyrie does. It's not about Kyrie being black or how he's getting more heavily punished because he's black.

    Howard Stern's use of the N-word happened in like, 1993 and it was brought up in 2020. So the incident wasn't recent, and for something that happened 27 years ago, I think you'd have to take an apology at face value. And, while Imus wasn't blackballed from the industry for his use of "nappy headed hos," he still lost his job, at the time. So it's not like he got off scot-free.

    Then Jay goes on a weird tangent about slavery. Uh, what? Just like the NBA has the right to try and enforce rules, Kyrie has the freedom to leave the NBA any time he wants and pursue whatever life calling he wants, if he doesn't want to be "buck broken." Slaves didn't have that luxury. Again, situations aren't the same, and for Jay to try and equate the two situations to any degree, does a huge disservice to slaves and anyone who was affected by slavery.

    Now, is Kyrie's rules for reinstatement too harsh? Maybe, maybe not. Making him pony up 500k is way too steep. And who is Joe Tsai to "judge understanding?" I get he's the ower, but the dude is a Chinese billionaire who has no idea what it means to be black, Jewish, Native American, etc - everything that Kyrie either is, or that this topic relates to. The general public and/or the people offended, can relate more to Kyrie then they can to Joe Tsai.

    tl;dr - imo, this all could have been avoided if Kyrie apologized asap. But he waited too damn long.
     
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    It's a double standard between black and jewish people he's talking about. We're expected to just move on when the examples he talked about happened, even though the acts were far more egregious.
     
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    Yeah. In a debate where the battle ground is positioned as blacks against jews, Jay comes and says "I come from a place of empathy" and then proceeds to give an analogy that Kyrie is treated as slaves in America used to be treated. So his "place of empathy" actually means "let me talk about how this makes ME feel". People really misunderstand the notion of empathy it seems...

    As far as an owner of a team wanting to talk to a player who has always presented in his actions the idea that he knows better than any other authority in the organization, I totally get that owner. Kyrie can only understand man to man talk and can only trully commit to such direct personal promises that he makes man to man. Whatever apologies he makes on social media, that type of contrarian stubborn person likely doesn't mean any of it.

    Net's is trying to recover whatever investment that they've made into this player and it's not about "breaking" Kyrie. It's about getting him to buy in to the organization - to stop him from thinking that he runs the place without any accountability and commitment to people around him.

    Joe Tsai being Chinese and alibaba executive is just a distraction people who want that organization to fail will use.
     
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    Try reading some account of Holocaust and THEN listen to Kyrie or Kanye diminish its significance to a whole nation of people by comparing it to a free choice of abortion (something completely unrelated to ethnicity) or referring to it as "something ... suffered ... something that could've been avoided". It pretty much sounds like a virtual denial because of how much they diminish the harrowing experience and the emotional and historical significance behind the word "holocaust".

    Personally, I think it's hypocritical how BLM was a big deal in NBA but then apparently antisemitism is ok within the league.

    This is why this is blown out of proportion now, because there is a huge and obvious dismissal of significance in NBA of the hurt that one of their own is causing and NBA as an organization now has to deal with it, because it's a PR black eye. And Nike dropping Kyrie and the profit from his top 3 lucrative shoe, is a proof of that. Same goes for commissioner meeting with him.
     
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    They are asking him to understand the significance of the post he has made to his 5 million followers and to be a team player. That's all. Paying 500K was his suggestion to avoid loosing more money from Nike dropping him.

    No one is asking him to change a freaking religion. (Although someone should really try to convince him that the earth is not flat)
     
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    Kyrie isn't a Holocaust denier regardless of how u want to twist things

    it was blown out of proportion the second he hit send on his Amazon link tweet

    Nike was already not renewing their contract with Kyrie before any of this even happened
     
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