[Developing] Nancy Pelosi's husband violently beaten with hammer

The differences are there, but they are minor because there is a lot of overlap between them.

That is how fascism is sold. For Mussolini it was the return of the Roman Empire. For Hitler it was the rise of the Aryan Ubermench. These have nothing to do with what makes something fascism, it is marketing. If you build a democratic government with strong individual freedoms, low government involvement in day to day life, and disband the military but call it the return of the Sioux Nation, that does not fascism make. If you build a government with all of the trappings I mentioned but call it the all new, never before tried nation of Awesomestan, it will still be fascist.

Mechanisms and form are what define a form of government.

That really makes you saying a libertarian is expressing fascist ideas seem really stupid.

What is the region? What are the traditional values?

I would say most countries have relatively strong "lore and mythos" about their national origin, called national history.

Uniquely fascist, you say? Flag desecration - Wikipedia

Why on earth would a definition require recognition of the common man's desire to follow fascist leaders?

Some of them do. Some of them are foreign conquerors. Some of them are military leaders who wish not to be controlled by a civilian government. Some of them are the leaders that rise to the top of populist movements. There is not a singular path to authoritarianism.

The arguably fascist Ba'ath party of Iraq was lead by an ethnic minority.

Yes, communism is about class warfare.

There are more than two ways for a nation to react to severe economic decline.

Again, the definition of a system of government doesn't require (and would even be strange to include) a reason or analysis of why it appeals to people. The definition of a system of government is just a description of the form and operation of that government.

No one said fascism is just big government. Big government is a necessary component of fascism though. You cannot have a small government fascist nation. It would be like saying you have an anarchist monarchy, it fundamentally cannot exist by definition.

What does a citizen's thoughts on the favorability of government overreach have to do with the definition of fascism.

Yes, all governments come into existence at some point. No country has existed from the beginning of time.

If you think preventing women from killing their children is the key element to the rise of fascism, you may not want to research the history of every country ever, because all (or nearly all, I haven't researched the legal history of Palau or anything) of them have outlawed abortion at one point or another. Preventing the murder of human beings is also entirely rational, and in fact is usually among the first laws in any society.

It's a fun game, I enjoy it.

It wasn't the statutes that created the problem, it was the implementation by the executive and the courts. There will never be the amount of funding available to process people the way it is currently done. If they simply enforced basic immigration laws, it wouldn't take this long and it wouldn't need more funding. It was making public policy carve outs that created the problem, and doing more of the same is not going to make it better.

Sometimes the parents create consequences for their children. If a parent keeps a kid out of school until they are 18, the kid isn't just handed a highschool diploma because it was the parents' fault he never got an education. No matter whose fault it was, he never went through the process. Same for immigration.

I would say that selective enforcement of any law (especially to benefit oneself) is unethical.

I was responding to another post that derailed the thread, I just made no effort to steer it back on course.

 

tell me youre a partisan hack w/o telling me you are a partisan hack.

i clicked on the thread and this is the first section...


anything beyond this seems to be desperate speculation not worth wasting any time on.

 

Hes the most disingenuous disgusting poster here. The pathetic part is he isn't paid for it

 

tell me again you did not read the thread.

 

There were some who did but not everyone and I felt there was some basis to it although I believed that COVID-19 arose from the market was more likely.

To add while there is possible evidence that it was a lab leak that has never been definitively proven. In the meantime there has been a lot of evidence regarding a natural origin to COVID-19.

 

I've not read every post in the thread but have read the reports coming out from the LE including DePape's own testimony. As other posters have stated the claims made that Pelosi or DePape knew each other that he was in his underwear have been retracted.

As stated before and something I've seen first hand media does get things wrong because there is a such a desire to break a story. Initial reports can be wrong. I have no doubt that someone might've claimed or reported that but if it's been retracted / disproven then continuing to bring it up is what makes conspiracy theory.

For example claims that at Sandy Hook someone was seen outside the school while the shooting was happening were debunked yet those are frequently brought up to argue that there either was a second shooter or it was staged and that person was involved in getting the actors out.

 

Why do you keep wasting people's time?

 

tell me again that you have poor reading comprehension...

 

A bit more on DePape.

He apparently worked as a photographer for indybay.org. Not exactly a "right-wing" website.

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2022/10/20/18852693.php



Interesting - an anti-Pelosi protest - but from the left. On the website on which DePape was very active.

Searching that site a little more, I found several photos of DePape "in action".

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/10/28/18456717.php



https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2015/06/06/18773198.php



I haven't done more digging, but pretty sure one could find more traces of him on indybay.org.

 

Lol how much 'digging' are you going to do to fit your narrative?
It's creepy man. And transparent.

You remind me of a jfk conspiracist spending late nights researching some wild conclusion. You have really declined exponentially even in my time away from this board.

Most normal people would accept the guy was a nutter and move on but you can't.
Ouch!
Wow!

 

Indeed, that has actually been my point. Thanks for confirming it. A nutter - not a "right-wing" extremist.

Ouch!

 

For all we know, indybay.org was DePape's "home" and socialization.

I did a simple search on Google for site:indybay.org Pelosi.

https://www.google.com/search?q=sit...69i57j69i58.5465j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2022/08/22/18851673.php





https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2022/07/31/18851365.php



https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2021/11/03/18846089.php



The whole site the guy worked at for many years (and where he presumably was the photographer at all these protests at Nancy Pelosi's house, which is also why he knew where it was) is chock full of anti-Pelosi posts - from the left.

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2021/08/18/18844381.php



This is not the narrative you guys want to hear - but it is much more likely that in this guy's universe, yes, he hated Pelosi - but not because he was MAGA - he hated her from the left.

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2021/07/16/18843757.php

 

It's literally hundreds of articles on "Indybay.org" which are anti-Pelosi. They apparently did 60+ protests at her house. He was the photographer of indybay.org.

I could go on forever.

Assange
Climate
Military Support for Israel
Pay Freeze for Federal Workers
etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

Pelosi was/is the no. 1 enemy of indybay.org.

I repeat - he worked there - it was his "home".

He hated Pelosi - but not from the Right - from the Left!

 

Nope. He didn't rage against the Jan. 6th committee because it wasn't liberal enough.

You've been wrong in almost everything you've posted. Give it a break

 

Nope. I have been right.

You can close your eyes and ears, but the truth will come out. These alleged "right-wing blogs" were uploaded Oct. 28th and taken down Oct. 29th. Someone wanted to control the narrative.

The guy worked at Indymedia for many years. I showed you photos of him working as a photographer for Indymedia.

I posted the Google search. Here it is again:

https://www.google.com/search?q=site:indybay.org+pelosi&rlz=1C5CHFA_enDE799DE799&oq=site:indybay.org+pelosi&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i58.5465j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

They held regular protests at her house. That's why he knew exactly where it was.

Please just scroll down in the search results. It's all about "corrupt war monger and liar Pelosi".

Indymedia's enemy no. 1?

Nancy and Paul Pelosi.

 

Okay. You don't see reality. You wrong about they each had a hammer tweet. You've been wrong all along.

See. Ya.

 

Did you click on the link with the Google search?

If nothing else, it shows how much Pelosi is hated from the Left - from this Indymedia crew.

He worked at Indymedia for years.

They staged 60+ protests in front of Pelosi's house.

Are you disputing any of this?

 

Don't need to. None of that matters regarding this attack. We know his statements to the cops and we know his QAnon ramblings and MAGA talking points.

 

LOL you know you are lying. Click on the Google search result link.

The Indymedia leftists hate the Pelosis.

They held 60+ protests in front of their house.

He worked at Indymedia for 15+ years, as a photographer.

That's how he knew exactly where that house was.

The narrative that you have to be on the Right to hate the Pelosis is debunked the second you click on that Google search result link.

 

Question: Why does it matter what his political views are?