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Comic Book Writing Legend Alan Moore: Dems are Conservatives, GOP are Fascists

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  1. giddyup

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    Yes, I realize that... when I'm not in a hurry. It didn't sound right when I posted it but I was in a hurry. The gestalt was that local Democrats were letting the outrage express and expand doing billions in damages and, I think, 15 lives lost and hundreds if not thousands of casualties. Don't bother dredging up a feeble quote from Biden asking the rioters to stop. If national Dem leaders had wanted it to be stopped, it would have been.
     
  2. giddyup

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    I made a hurried boo-boo. Quick climb to the play mountaintop and beat your chest like the King you are!
     
  3. rocketsjudoka

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    I was there and witnessed the worst of it first hand. Yes Democratic leaders especially the mayor Minneapolis made mistakes. That wasn't nearly the same as them wanting to happen or were able to stop it. In fact MN Gov. Tim Walz got criticized by many for National Guard and State Police acting too heavy handed for example this.


    And again Biden wasn't President then. All he could do was speak out against it.
     
  4. giddyup

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    Huh? That was a protest over Scott Walker's policy. That had nothing to do with an election nor was it illegal. Other than scale it was no different than protests in several state houses, including Wisconsin, by those protesting COVID restrictions.
     
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  7. giddyup

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    Didn't a Republican Vice President shut this one down?

    Is there anything formal about a concession? Isn't it just a conformity? Are you really surprised that Trump took a different route?!

    If someone concedes an election but then actually wins it, do they get the office or not?
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    Well no not really. Why do you think so many of us were willing to label him and his supporters as fascist well before Jan 6th?

    Because we knew this was going to always happen.
     
  9. giddyup

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    It matters not what it had to do with. I bet that that building is normally emptied and locked at the close of the day: "Maintaining that presence in a building that was technically closed required Herculean efforts."
     
  10. giddyup

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    A real fascist would have made a bigger mess. You guys just like to throw that label around.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    They didn't have to overturn it. They only had to delay it enough so that, as Trump and fellow cronies planned, they could use the vote of Congress by state. But it is possible. In the end it doesn't matter what I think. It only matters what they had planned and attempted to pull off.

    Do you really think it isn't mention-worthy that a would be dictator President and his allies tried to do that?
     
  12. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes and it was a good thing that he did even though supporters of the losing candidate were calling to hang him.

    i don't recall supporters of Hillary Clinton on Jan. 6 2017 calling "Hang Joe Biden!"
    There is nothing official about as a concession but it is a signal to one's supporters that although they've contested the race it's time to move on for the good of the country.
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    Fascism has absolutely nothing to do with competence and success.

    It's an ideology. And in fact I would go as far to say Trump supporters are more fascist than Trump mainly because Trump in reality doesn't really care about the core attributes of fascism like maintaining a traditional conservative social order at all costs. He's not religious. He doesn't really care about traditional values. But he damn sure well knows how to pander to those who do and panders grievances of those values being lost to the leftist agenda.
     
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    So would you put the protests against COVID restrictions, many of which happened not during normal hours, in the same category?
     
  15. giddyup

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    I said nothing about success; I said "bigger mess"
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    Yes fascism has nothing to do with how successful in making a big mess of things is.

    Stop deflecting from my premise.
     
  17. giddyup

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    What category? I was only pointing out that such "trespassing" was not unique. How long did the JAN 6 "invasion" last?
     
  18. giddyup

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    I'll keep deflecting as long as you keep putting words in my mouth...
     
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    Tis a mere trespassing violation
     
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    Nope. You are saying something isn't fascist because he didn't make a big enough mess and I'm telling you nothing about the ideology of fascism has to do with creating the biggest mess.

    So please tell me where I'm misrepresenting your views.
     

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