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KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DasouthDakota, Oct 25, 2022.

  1. King1

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    Well, I obviously am going by what I see. He's a ball stopper. You aren't going to find any argument from me about how bad Silas is. He shouldn't have a job today but KPJ is who has he's always been. He's never developed as a player. Same skill set.

    What is more concerning is how bad Jabari looks and Green recently. That's pretty frustrating.

    I don't like what KPJ has done as person but as I've said I would love to see him in a 6th man role where I think he could be helpful to the team.

    Like you, I thought this team had a chance to be better than what people expected and am really disappointed.

    We do agree on Silas completely though. It's shameful hes still employed but I don't expect much out of Fertitta
     
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    The 6th man thing makes no sense, because otherwise we would be starting Nix. I would rather have KPJ start than whatever the hell Nix is.

    KPJ might be a better fit as a sixth man on a good team, we don't have the luxury of having any other starting PG. JC also tunnel visions just as hard as anyone else
     
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  3. King1

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    I'm not advocating starting Nix. He doesn't even belong in the NBA and I understand TyTy is injured. It's just unfortunate how poorly constructed this roster is. I do want to see what we have worthy of keeping.

    My concern is with Green and Smith playing poorly and KPJ doesn't put them in position to score. It's not really his fault but that's who he is like I mentioned. This just seems like it's going to be a wasted year. I guess if we get Wembanyama or Scoot I'll live but this team and lack of spacing and ball movement is worse than when we had Francis.

    Sengun could facilitate a half court offense but there's no chance of that with Silas
     
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  4. Bobbythegreat

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    You have to realize that those advocating for the only competent ball handler (and in many ways the best player overall currently) on the team to be "6th man" aren't the best and brightest CF's has to offer.
     
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    Maybe they can consider acquiring a serviceable veteran PG to organize the offense a little better.

    KPJ and Green are redundant. Both guys are scoring guards who don't have a good understanding of the big-picture team offense. They can make some good passes here and there. There are highlight clips that "prove" KPJ can pass. But tbh, any NBA player can make those passes on occasions. The issue is court awareness and understanding of the team game, and being able to make quick decisions based on the awareness and understanding. Lots of people are yelling about "pass-first PG are extinct." That's not the real issue. Guys like Harden aren't pass-first PG either. But they have that awareness that makes them so effective.
     
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    I think people are underrating how turnover prone Sengun can be when he is the one being ball dominant. Remember Silas is leaning on KPJ too much because KPJ in a sense is a safety blanket. He's the only competent one on the team who can have the ball in his hands consistently with on ball pressure defense and retain possession of the ball.
     
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  7. DaDakota

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    THERE IS NO OFFENSE - NONE - this has nothing to do with KPJ, there literally IS NO OFFENSE.....they all stand around and watch for KPJ to beat his man.

    This is not on KPJ, it is 100% on a lack of coaching. We need a new coach and a system.

    Agree about Green I said that when he was drafted that he and KPJ are the same player.

    DD
     
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    They aren't redundant.....the team would be a LOT better right now if they were.

    The goal is for Green to improve his ball handling enough to make them "redundant" and be able to attack defenses in different ways. Unfortunately right now, KPJ is the only competent ball handler on the team which is one of the reasons they are struggling.

    If Green ever figures it out, the Rockets will have two combo guards that will be impossible to guard....till then, they have one combo guard having to do all the heavy lifting on his own and struggling with it at times.

    Looking at the on/off splits, KPJ is currently a net zero to the offensive rating and defensive rating of the team....which is REALLY impressive given that both Jalen Green and Jabari Smith are -19 to those ratings when they are on the court and they have shared the court for 166 of KPJ's 242 total minutes. That means he did a lot of good the few minutes he's out there without them.

    I think the team will look radically different when/if Smith and Green step up their play, but they are really young, so early struggles is to be expected.
     
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    Ya beginning of the season I blamed KPJ but man look at the offense people. It's hard to blame KPJ when you actually look at the game s. It's a 5 out stationary offense of just people staring at the ball handler. And KPJ is literally the only capable ball handler. Even EG isn't a primary ball handler. Dude has loose handles also.
     
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    Exactly. Green at the moment cannot bring the ball up the court with on ball press defense. KPJ and Green are not redundant. If you don't have KPJ you literally don't have a primary ball handler on the team.
     
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    You know guys also stood around and watch Harden to beat his man, right? And it was one of the best offense in NBA history, according MDA.

    I agree that coaching is a problem. But KPJ is just not that kind of a player. You can say that he is the poorest man's Harden, kind of like a homeless man's great mansion.
     
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  12. DaDakota

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    Oh, he is not Harden - so why are we trying to run that offense? Which by the way doesn't even work anymore now that Harden doesn't get the cheap foul calls.

    Also, we had movement in the Harden offense that we don't have here....this is a terrible offense, simply set up for no one to be successful......my biggest beef is that no one is actually developing here.

    DD
     
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    After realizing we didn’t even try to sign a vet point like Schroeder or even DJ I knew we were tanking in our last year of owning picks

    I don’t mind the tanking but not getting any kind of veteran point is a disservice to KPJ, Green, and Tyty. I think the lack of mentorship is what will make this a wasted year

    Stone knew we would win too much though with a vet point off the bench so he gave us nix
     
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    don't confuse height at being more naturally talented / gifted

    Iverson was Mr Football and Basketball of Virginia coming into G'Town

    it's why i said in my other posts that he had supreme physical ability at that small size

    it's also why Lebron said he played like a 6'8'' shooting guard being 5'10''

    do you even know what being talented means?

    Iverson was a elite baseball / football / basketball player, he just chose to play basketball after that brawl hindered his recruiting career and J Thompson was the only one to bring him on board

    once again like i said, the only thing Lebron / Jordan / Dream (and whatever else taller dominant / talented player] had on AI was height, he was basically a 5'10'' version of Wilt

    it's why Shaq called him a mini-version of himself, and Shaq was the modern day version of Wilt

    you can believe what you want, i wasn't trying to convince you nor anybody else, just my 2 cents
     
  15. King1

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    I'm aware Sengun is turnover prone but I would like to see him as a faciliatater. KPJ isn't it. Green isn't it so far. Smith doesn't even look like he can dribble. Silas probably won't get better before he loses his job so we are probably stuck with this
     
  16. King1

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    I completely agree. Schroeder could have been brought back.

    It really sucks to completely waste a season. Obviously it's early but nobody on our team looks good. We are too young to be wasting games with Silas
     
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    So iverson was more talented then Jordan at doing what on the basketball court? certainly nothing on offense or defense, i guess he was better at football?
     
  18. astrosrule

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    bringing in crappy vets to try to squeeze out a few more wins and lower the draft odds is exactly what we should NOT be doing
     
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    and Jordan wasn't more talented than Iverson on the hardwood either

    other than being listed at 6'6'' which height helps in a big man league

    you keep deflecting after you just said Iverson wasn't as talented as those players you mentioned earlier, which is falsehood

    talent means you can play multiple sports at high level, so Iverson was clearly as talented as any player you can mention that has graced the nba court, nothing more nor less

    get out your feelings, and pump your brakes, I Am way out your speed
     
  20. astrosrule

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    ya you're just a pure troll, no point in wasting time, putting you with the other trolls
     

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