KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Huh? What are you even saying? Is your argument that “this dude in the 50s was only a little above league average so who cares about TS?” Cousy is above your superstar kpj in TS anyway, and 50s basketball is pretty idiotic to try to compare to today (which you know)

 

Of course I could post a quote / video by a couple legendary players to back what I said but you would spin that or use some deflection tactic

Thing is Iverson showcased what he did at that height and he has more natural skill in his thumb than Giannis has and the only thing Giannis / Harden have on him is height

Just turn on the hardwood film all numbers aside and you can't name one single thing that Harden did better than AI at all, other than being naturally taller but yet AI played SG being under 6ft

Just you mentioning Nix proves your deflection tactics are pure comedy, get out your feelings and face the facts, it is what it be

 

Cousy was a poor shooter, might want to look it up.

The point was that if your role is to be a volume shooter and it helps the team win, by creating space for others, or the gravity allows others to be more successful it is not all that important.

The role is what matters, how that role helps the team matters.

Look, arguing with stat freaks is silly, because many don't understand that most stats are flawed anyway, in basketball, it is not like baseball which is closer to true important statistics.

Basketball has a human element at the funnel creating a small issue that gets magnified at the bottom of the funnel and there are not defensive statistics which are all that good or helpful leaving a full 1/2 the floor out of the equation.

So, are stats important, the answer is sort of, they give information, but they don't come close to telling the entire picture, and people that use them to b**** about players are just pushing their own bias - over a player they don't like, because in all honesty they don't really see the whole picture so they hide behind statistics as an end all, when it is only a portion of the total.

As an example, KPJ is having a good start to this season and is right now the best player on the team - but it is all his fault that some people's favorites can't toss the ball into the ocean, it is easier to blame someone else than admit their guy is struggling.....

DD

 

Ok man, you’re just clearly trolling at this point and not interested in a discussion based on any semblance of reality. What his height has to do with anything is beyond me, as if you’re grading on some weird ass curve

 

I did look it up, he was more efficient then both kpj and iverson. I do agree stats don’t tell the whole story, but ignoring them is only for people who are trying to push a false narrative, nothing more.

 

Those alphabet gang numbers are not the end of all means

For instance, go look up Iverson core pieces in Mckie / Snow who were with him for 7 seasons and tell me their so called TS% and whatever else alphabet number gang you want to include and I bet they were inefficient or not elite pre-Iverson and with him, I mean they were both around 6-7 ppg career scorers and their career high yrs were with AI

Its the reason why Iverson was forced to chuck and then later with Nuggets his shots decreased and efficiency was better because he had a legit young stud with then Melo who back then was walking bucket

 

Who was the second n third option scorers for Iverson during those playoffs?

Who has played with better/more individual talent / HOFers, Harden or AI?

 

What was Vernon Maxwell's TS% as a 2 time NBA champion guard?

DD

 

What does said trolling have to do with anything when I stated that I could post quotes from couple legendary players? Are you accusing them of trolling? Height has to do with the only advantage that they had on him because they weren't more skilled nor athletic

You make it seem like I said I would draft Lin or A Morrison over Harden to start my franchise

Clearly you are trolling because you are stuck on TS% which is like 10% of what actually tells the story of player who was the 1st thru 4th option because the support cast couldn't create no offense and relied on one player to do it all, it was a miracle they reached the playoffs let alone a Finals trip

 

Didn’t he quit and walk out on the team in 1995? Still counts as 2 time?

 

Yes, anyone who says iverson is better then guys like shaq or hakeem or lebron or jordan or kareem or duncan is a troll, pure and simple. In hardens 8 seasons as a rockets, 2 other players made an allstar team. Dwight once and Westbrook once, that’s it

 

He got his points but also a L. That’s who KPJ is…everything looks good for him with terrible percentages, but bad for the team as he can’t organize a freaking s*it.

 

It does.....but go look it up anyway, he won at least one as a starting guard.

That is on the coach, KPJ is playing exactly how Silas wants him to.

DD

 

Go to basketballreference.com, if you scroll down to shooting you can see their TS relative to the league (TS+) if you are particularly interested in maxwell

 

All those players you named only have rings over Iverson, they were not more talented or entertained any better, and one of the players you mentioned said Iverson was top 5 ever

Well during Iverson Sixers stint Mutumbo made all star game and that was the yr they played half season together, the following season Mutumbo wasn't so Harden played with better players, while leaving out KD(twice)/Irving though that was short lived with nets, now he has Embiid and CP3 is HOFer

 

Lebron, jordan, dream not more talented then iverson? Cool

 

He's doesn't look like a player who can lead. It's pretty clear Jabari isn't going to be creating his own shot any time. Someone has to put him in a position to maximize his talents. IMO we need the traditional "pass first" point guard. That's just not who KPJ is.

 

Traditional points are a dying breed, better get used to it.

The times when players like David West became an All Star due to his star quarterback is over.

Maybe you could get LaMelo to do that or Dejounte Murray.

 

The Spurs are what we thought the Rockets would be this year. The Rockets are just a team trying to make a 3 a 1 and ignoring its draft picks in the process.

 

lol. Newsflash. The guys who knocked Harden out were, wait for it….MORE EFFICIENT than he was in the playoffs.